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Also been through the stress for the last 6 months. Got a weekend of treats planned for all of us to de-stress.
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As I mentioned earlier, one of our friends' eldest son has taken his (Lang)gymi exams this week. I think our discussions at dinners and not only revolved around this subject for the last months or more.... The good part is now I know everything I should know when mine will go through it*.

*provided nothing will change for the next years...which I doubt.
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Old 14.03.2019, 10:24
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As I mentioned earlier, one of our friends' eldest son has taken his (Lang)gymi exams this week. I think our discussions at dinners and not only revolved around this subject for the last months or more.... The good part is now I know everything I should know when mine will go through it*.

*provided nothing will change for the next years...which I doubt.
If it helps, my son wishes he had done more past papers.
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Re: Would *you* pass the Gymi entry test?

the questions of the exam are not so difficult considering that they are almost the same year after year. It's all about preparing well enough on those types of questions to be able to do it. now the real difficulty is:
- it's a one hour math exam, very short for the number of questions, no calculator etc
- the kids are 12 yo...it requires a great maturity to prepare and succeed. At this age, boys in particular are more into football and roller skates (rightly so in my opinion) than math exercises.
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Old 14.03.2019, 10:45
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As I mentioned earlier, one of our friends' eldest son has taken his (Lang)gymi exams this week. I think our discussions at dinners and not only revolved around this subject for the last months or more.... The good part is now I know everything I should know when mine will go through it*.

*provided nothing will change for the next years...which I doubt.
Yet another of the reasons why I am so happy we live in the French speaking bit, none of that nonsense where we are.

I’m not saying they don’t have tests and stuff and it is pretty damned hard to get into and stay in lycée but we don’t have the added pressure of the entrance exams and the long/short route.
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Yet another of the reasons why I am so happy we live in the French speaking bit, none of that nonsense where we are.

I’m not saying they don’t have tests and stuff and it is pretty damned hard to get into and stay in lycée but we don’t have the added pressure of the entrance exams and the long/short route.
I agree. It's the same in Ticino as far as I know.
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Old 14.03.2019, 11:56
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I’m not saying they don’t have tests and stuff and it is pretty damned hard to get into and stay in lycée but we don’t have the added pressure of the entrance exams and the long/short route.
But that also means you have two shots only. Once regularly at the end of the "11e année" and another after the ecole plus/12e année?

In Zurich you have the options to join the long route at the 6th grade (8e année in NE), plus for the short route at 2nd and 3rd year of secondary school (10e and 11e année in NE), and one year later after the so called "10. Schuhljahr" (Ecole plus, 12e année in NE).
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Re: Would *you* pass the Gymi entry test?

For those who read German, there was an article in the NZZ two days ago about this years' entrance exams. To sum up, the number of exam candidates has risen by almost 24% in the past 8 years (up to currently 7500 candidates). So has the number of students failing the test (over 50%). According to teachers and the education department, this is mainly due to the fact that an increasing number of students attempt the exam without a recommendation for Gymnasium by their teachers.

https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/gymipruef...rch-ld.1466328
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For those who read German, there was an article in the NZZ two days ago about this years' entrance exams. To sum up, the number of exam candidates has risen by almost 24% in the past 8 years (up to currently 7500 candidates). So has the number of students failing the test (over 50%). According to teachers and the education department, this is mainly due to the fact that an increasing number of students attempt the exam without a recommendation for Gymnasium by their teachers.

https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/gymipruef...rch-ld.1466328
I thought it was still the case that the kids had to be referred for the exam by the teacher. I certainly wouldn't have gone through the pain and stress of the prep if the teacher hadn't first pointed it out at the Elterngespräch.
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Gymnasium itself is quite high stress I believe - the pupils have to keep their grade averages up or be busted to Sek.

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iirc: They have at least two tests each week for six months of school. Each minus point (below 4) has to be compensated for by two plus points (above 4). They have to finish the semester without a zero or positive number of points - and even with zero you might be out, if there are too many others with positive points.
Put bluntly: the purpose of the six-month probation is to remove about a third of the kids from the group. Otherwise they'll have too many students in the school.

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I thought it was still the case that the kids had to be referred for the exam by the teacher. I certainly wouldn't have gone through the pain and stress of the prep if the teacher hadn't first pointed it out at the Elterngespräch.
Kids don't have to be referred by the class teacher to try the Gymi test.
There is a form which the current class teacher has to sign, confirming that the child is registered at their school - this is not a recommendation, and I imagine there'd be a few legal cases if any teacher refused to sign it (I also can't imagine a teacher being bothered refusing to sign it, since it is the child and parents who will have to go through the pain and suffering of struggling so hard in order to fail).

My kids' teachers suggested that they not go for the Gymi test, since their German was still not good enough at that point (and one of them was not really suited to that style of learning).
One has finished the FMS (Fachmittelschule - a more "applied" form of Gymnasium, with a different focus and lower academic/testing requirements) and the other is in the IMS (Informatikmittelschule - IT Gymi), both of which they applied for after their third year in the Sek.
Far less stress, especially with admin staff who advised us on which strategies would best help our children remain in the school, rather than setting standards our children would have to struggle to maintain or be out.
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Re: Would *you* pass the Gymi entry test?

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Yet another of the reasons why I am so happy we live in the French speaking bit, none of that nonsense where we are.

I’m not saying they don’t have tests and stuff and it is pretty damned hard to get into and stay in lycée but we don’t have the added pressure of the entrance exams and the long/short route.
Most places even in the German speaking bits are not like Zurich. Here in Berne you can be recommended by a teacher, only if you do not get the recommendation you have to do an exam, and there is no Lang-Gymi, you enter Gymi in Grade 9.
In Solothurn there is no Lang-Gymi either, only Sek P, entrance is based solely on previous marks. Aargau is similar.
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Re: Would *you* pass the Gymi entry test?

After 3 months of helping my kids find "x", I may scrape through mathematik but will get slaughtered in Textverständnis & Aufsatz..
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Put bluntly: the purpose of the six-month probation is to remove about a third of the kids from the group. Otherwise they'll have too many students in the school.
That's a myth. For one, if a given number remaining pupils was the aim, the numbers of the admitted as well as those of the "fails" after the first semester would be much less volatile from year to year. Second, those failing amounted to about 15% in recent years (some 12% in the Langzeitgymi, 18% for the Kurzzeitgymi), down by about 5 percentage points in both cases. It is believed this drop was caused by additional tutoring outside of regular lessons. Time will tell whether that's true, but if your baseless claim were true those efforts wouldn't be taken to begin with.
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For those who read German, there was an article in the NZZ two days ago about this years' entrance exams. To sum up, the number of exam candidates has risen by almost 24% in the past 8 years (up to currently 7500 candidates). So has the number of students failing the test (over 50%). According to teachers and the education department, this is mainly due to the fact that an increasing number of students attempt the exam without a recommendation for Gymnasium by their teachers.

https://www.nzz.ch/zuerich/gymipruef...rch-ld.1466328

And rightly so (that they are attempting the exam despite their teachers)
I remember that my primary school teacher hated me. She wanted to send me to the "real" (lowest school level, a few decades ago) and gave a bad recommendation.*
It's only thanks to my parents that I made it to the gymi.


So, thank you to all parents who are pushing your kids (a bit) towards a better future!


*at the same time, I hated her, everybody sitting around in a circle and singing kumbaya was not the way I wanted to spend my school days, but that's another story

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Re: Would *you* pass the Gymi entry test?

I passed about 25 years ago (yes there was a test), but looking at that first math test, I'm already like uuuhhhmmm can't I just use a calculator?

Nah in all seriousness, I would probably still pass, but math has always been and will always be my weakness. Then again I can't remember the last time I used integral calculus in my everyday life, and yet it caused me a solid year of pure pain towards the end of Gymi...

Btw I was a straight A student all throughout Primarschule (which lasted 6 years at the time) and still struggled somewhat with the Gymi entry exam, and later occasionally with the odd subject here and there. I was also never a straight A student again It for sure isn't a walk in the park...
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Re: Would *you* pass the Gymi entry test?

I worked with my son on finding X for a couple of weeks, but he was getting confused with "X"... because in the tests they use the empty square instead. So I decided to call it "umpf"... Worked like a charm, now we are solving for umpf with no Problem.
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