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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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Are you talking about an amount of EUR 7.90 in lost VAT?
1. Itís not lost VAT.

2. You should not make a difference of 79.9 EUR and 72.2 EUR. The final amount of the former will be about 88 EUR. (Plus customs but thatís another story). Itís about a 20% difference. Do you know how the percentage works?
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1. Itís not lost VAT.

2. You should not make a difference of 79.9 EUR and 72.2 EUR. The final amount of the former will be about 88 EUR. (Plus customs but thatís another story). Itís about a 20% difference. Do you know how the percentage works?
Yes, but you don't.

19% VAT is a 16% difference, not 19%.

1/1.19 = 0.84

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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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Oh yeah, I remembered that one. (Who doesn't)
And for those who don't:

https://www.englishforum.ch/2867945-post1.html

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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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Nonsense. There is no such obligation under Swiss or EU law.

As to the rest of the thread - Why do you ask questions if you're only going to disagree with all the answers? It's been pointed out that there is no way in which this could be 'illegal', which is what you were asking, so if you think you know better all I can suggest is that you stop asking damn-fool questions.
I don’t disagree with all of the answers. Only the wrong answers are loud.

My definition of "pointed out" might differ from your definition. In my world, "pointed out" includes facts and deductive logic.

I was asking for your help because there is some information I’m still missing. The fact that I received wrong answers about the information I already have, won’t change that.

An example of wrong information from you, and how far away from each other in defining "pointed out" may be this link:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/co...e-wrong-price/
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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I donít disagree with all of the answers. Only the wrong answers are loud.

My definition of "pointed out" might differ from your definition. In my world, "pointed out" includes facts and deductive logic.

I was asking for your help because there is some information Iím still missing. The fact that I received wrong answers about the information I already have, wonít change that.

An example of wrong information, and how far away from each other in defining "pointed out" may be this link:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/co...e-wrong-price/
wtf has a uk site got to do with switzerland, or germany? or anywhere other then then uk????

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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

We are not in the UK.

And soon, they won't even be in the EU!

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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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I donít disagree with all of the answers. Only the wrong answers are loud.

My definition of "pointed out" might differ from your definition. In my world, "pointed out" includes facts and deductive logic.

I was asking for your help because there is some information Iím still missing. The fact that I received wrong answers about the information I already have, wonít change that.

An example of wrong information, and how far away from each other in defining "pointed out" may be this link:

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/co...e-wrong-price/
What information are you still missing? The main thrust of your thread seems to be that you think it's "illegal", to which people have quite rightly pointed out that it's not. Anything else that you still need answers for?
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

And usually, I don’t get along well with the "No Sir! I have no rights! I don’t want anything in life! Just please don’t hurt me! Let me live! I will hide under the junk! I will do anything you command!" kind of personalities.

("Don’t buy on Amazon")

My questions are for the rest of the people who might share some view of the world with me.
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

1. - We are in Switzerland and don't care for English law here.
2. - That article states that your opinion is wrong (When buying in England)

So why on earth do you bring that one up?
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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And usually, I don’t get along well with the "No Sir! I have no rights! I don’t want anything in life! Just please don’t hurt me! Let me live! I will hide under the junk! I will do anything you command!" kind of personalities.

("Don’t buy on Amazon")

My questions are for the rest of the people who might share some view of the world with me.
We don't get along with people who interpret the law how they deem fit and can't stand people who tell the truth and tell them to **** off in their own wordings.

And trust me, nobody on EF shares your view of the world in the way you express it on this site.


PS: Roegner still think this can't be a troll?

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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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If I go to a physical store, and the same type of item is on display twice, and it has two prices by accident, the store is obliged to sell it to me on the lower price even if it’s a mistake.
Nonsense. There is no such obligation under Swiss or EU law.
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https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/co...e-wrong-price/
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If you take an item to the till and are told the price on the tag or label is a mistake, you don’t have a right to buy the item at the lower price.
So, there's no such obligation under UK law either, not that it's relevant here. But why do you post a link that completely contradicts your previous claim?
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Old 08.04.2019, 14:57
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And usually, I donít get along well with the "No Sir! I have no rights! I donít want anything in life! Just please donít hurt me! Let me live! I will hide under the junk! I will do anything you command!" kind of personalities.
Also known as "I'm clueless as to how cross-border shopping works".

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("Donít buy on Amazon")
It's called customer choice. Retailers which take the piss can be avoided for those that don't, rather than repeatedly placing orders with them then having an aneurysm each time they pull the same trick.

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Try here.
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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Buy in Germany directly and get a Ausfuhrbescheinigung.

Not illegal, just that a lot of sellers canīt be bothered to do what you think is your right.

If it bothers you buy somewhere else?
Strange, when I still had amazon.de stuff delivered here (long time ago) they deducted the German VAT.
Also all products I'v bought from the UK (not amazon) are UK-VAT free.
I never had OP's problems but maybe they all got lazy. I'll find out when I need to get Savlon again - a Swiss product not available in Switzerland

Now I have amazon stuff delivered to an address in Germany, never bother demanding the VAT back (neither with stuff I buy in the shops there).
Even including their VAT I get it cheaper and poor Germany gets the VAT.
Would be nice to be able to deduct that from taxes as donations but ah well ....
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

Jesus.

I linked a site from the UK because I searched in English, and I picked the first result that was not .com.

Laws vary from country to country, but there are tendencies what kind of laws the countries have. Especially in the same cultural region. Especially when it’s about a global activity (trading). Otherwise, the economy would collapse. I mean, more often.

Believe or not, a law in an EU country might be a starting point to figure out the law in another EU country. I know there are people who want the opposite.

Why I linked a page that does not prove my concept in 100%?

Okay. Let’s try to turn on our brain for a moment.

If I had solid evidence, I wouldn’t have to ask anyone. I ask only when I don’t know. I’m more interested in the correct answer than in your mental state. That’s why I read controversial information, and I even link it.

But if you try to read more than two sentences of the given link (which I also didn’t read through because it was the first example I found), you can see that the related parts might be:

"If you’ve already bought it"

"Shopping online"

When I shop on amazon.de, I am sure I have a contract with Amazon. That’s when it gets tricky because Amazon does it the correct way with their sold items. Only third party sales are incorrect. And only in the EU. When I order from amazon.com then it’s also correct regarding the fees, prices, and taxes.

And, in case, if you didn’t know, the laws and the authorities are having a hard time catching up with the online business and international sales. They are concerned about where and how Facebook, Google, Amazon pay taxes.

It may be 7 EUR difference for some. It may be thousands for someone else. Others might have business with one or two of these companies.

Just because some of you never goes after the truth but outputs the first two words pop up in your mind ("pointed out"), it’s not the only way to exist on this planet.

I already received a helpful answer. There is always a few. The rest is noise. Noise is ugly but that’s how it is.
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Otherwise, the economy would collapse. I mean, more often.
You might be slightly overestimating your amazon shopping activity and it's impact on the world economy.
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Laws vary from country to country, but there are tendencies what kind of laws the countries have. Especially in the same cultural region. Especially when itís about a global activity (trading). Otherwise, the economy would collapse. I mean, more often.
Just explain that to the judge ...
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

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And, in case, if you didnít know, the laws and the authorities are having a hard time catching up with the online business and international sales. They are concerned about where and how Facebook, Google, Amazon pay taxes.
You understand the difference between you paying a few EUR in VAT and the taxes they pay as corporate tax, don't you?

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It may be 7 EUR difference for some. It may be thousands for someone else. Others might have business with one or two of these companies.
Nope, I think it's just you having problems with it. Your fragile ego seems to have problems grasping that you got it wrong, though. Never mind, eh?

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Just because some of you never goes after the truth but outputs the first two words pop up in your mind ("pointed out"), itís not the only way to exist on this planet.
Again, nope. It's nothing to do with truth and everything do to with your (mis)understanding of VAT and crossborder shopping.
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

In order for the store to avoid paying the VAT, they have to show PROOF the item has left EU teritory and to do this, they need to show the invoice stamped by the customs at the point of exit from the EU.


Without this, they are liable to pasy 19% or whatever VAT to their government.


Any other way, such as Amada suggests, wrtiing on the invoice or what ever bollocks is just that, makes life all a bit to easy, even for those who have difficulty comprehending a fairly simlple scheme of taxation
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And usually, I donít get along well with the "No Sir! I have no rights! I donít want anything in life! Just please donít hurt me! Let me live! I will hide under the junk! I will do anything you command!" kind of personalities.

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Okay. Letís try to turn on our brain for a moment.

If I had solid evidence, I wouldnít have to ask anyone. I ask only when I donít know. Iím more interested in the correct answer than in your mental state.


Just because some of you never goes after the truth but outputs the first two words pop up in your mind ("pointed out"), itís not the only way to exist on this planet.

I already received a helpful answer. There is always a few. The rest is noise. Noise is ugly but thatís how it is.
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Re: 20% price increase because I live in Switzerland. Is it legal?

Note: I just noticed that I come here only when there is an issue about which I also ask my lawyer, and I want to have multiple inputs.

By the way, all the questions ended well or neutral for me. I didn’t have to pay anything for not letting the landlord in. I could not employ whom I wanted outside the EU but I learned much about the process. The Migration Office even told me I would have to pay a fee if I argue with their decision which unlikely would change. (I consider this being helpful.)

I don’t remember the thread the moderator deleted because since was too much for his understanding the reality, but I am fine, thank you.

In case you keep wondering, I already knew toppreise.ch two years before I moved to Switzerland since I buy a lot of electronics and kitchenware and software. I was interested in how I can run a business in Switzerland. Why on Earth would I torture myself with ordering from Germany when I can buy it here?

Breaking news: some items are not available in Switzerland.

Besides, it’s random whether Amazon delivers a certain item to Switzerland or not. I mean, it’s random. It changes for the same item even from the same seller over time. For example, there is kitchenware I received two weeks ago. Today, I could not order it to Switzerland. There is another machine from another seller I can order to Switzerland for almost 300 EUR, but I can’t order a 7 EUR disposable accessory for it from the same seller.

That’s why I have a German address saved on Amazon. It’s a pickup point. Do you think I will drive for 5 hours to pick up something if I can get it from a Swiss store?

Sigh.
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