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Re: Did you move to Switzerland on your own?

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I came directly from Van city to Geneva (yes the other side of the country) 4 years ago and I would say there are similarities but only on the surface.

In Vancouver you really feel like you are an outsider when you are within a group of people that already know each other. They are really staying together, but I really have no idea why since most of the time they aren’t really even friends. I think it’s just for show, to say I’m in with this group. I was there for 6 years and the I’ve seen the cliquiest of groups form and then fade away

I would not call it “cliquey” here as it is just a normal thing what goes on between the locals and expats. They are reserved and so it seems they are avoiding you. No one is going to actively going to welcome you when there are things like language getting in the way, but at the end of the day you adapt and they adapt. If you meet some good people who care they will eventually warm up and form lasting relationships.
Milage does vary, I spent some time in Van and did not find it cliquey, tbh, at all. But groups of artists and musicians are notoriously socially active and seek inspirations left and right, granola hikers/climbers/campers, too, by the way. So - it depends, eh.

La Cote here seems to be the same way for me, people "do things" quite a bit. Too much, it gets tiring at times, I like to keep focus on other, inward stuff, too. The groups are so heterogenous here as well, no more division between locals/new comers like it seemed years ago when I moved here.
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Old 11.04.2019, 12:41
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Re: Did you move to Switzerland on your own?

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I'm curious if anyone around my age has experience of moving to Zurich on their own? Was it easy to meet new people and form a group of friends? Are most of your friends expats or local Swiss?
My partner was 44 and single when he first moved to Zurich and quickly made a large group of friends through his work, including some Swiss ones. He was also (and I hope he forgives me for saying this) on loads of dating apps whilst he was here, with little success. One Swiss woman that he met, friend zoned him within the first 5mins, but they're still friends now 10yrs later and she's lovely. I really like her.

As with any location change, a lot depends on the type of person you are. Wherever you go, you take yourself with you.

When we returned and I met his Swiss friends, it struck me that one of them said this about my partner: "He's open and friendly but not in your face friendly, and he's just quirky enough to fit in." That particular Swiss friend drove a fair distance out of his way after midnight to meet us for a drink when we had an stopover in Zurich, and he invited us to his wedding 4yrs after my partner had left Switzerland. We still can't walk down Bahnhoffstrasse on a Saturday afternoon without him bumping into someone he knows

With Zurich in particular, there are so many options and ways to find the people that you will fit in with. You'll find your way.
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Re: Did you move to Switzerland on your own?

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Wow. After having read your extremely biased-sounding and borderline offensively stereotypical posts I do feel the need to chip in.

I have been in Zurich 10 years and am a guy who has both lived the expat party lifestyle and had several Swiss girlfriends.

1) You can have a great social life here, including with the ladies. My oldest friend here is Swiss and there are many single expat ladies who are here to live long-term and are looking for a partner.

2) To say all Swiss women are 'boring and seldom have nothing to add to a conversation' is absolute misogynistic bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself for even writing that. I have met many funny and charming Swiss women who have hearts of gold. Are they the worlds most expressive or "exciting" ladies? Perhaps culturally not, but then again this country is less hedonistic and decadent than many others like the UK etc where people often throw restraint and dignity to the wind.

3) To think all single expat women are here following their husbands or boyfriends is again absolute and utter nonsense. There are many independent career-oriented women here, single and looking, younger and older, who just want to meet nice and stable guys without thought of if they are "amazing looking, rich or famous" (lol, come on). If you a guy then confidence, charisma and manners count for a lot.

Both of yours posts are to me the rantings of two frustrated guys (regardless of if you are now married or whatever) who historically never had much luck with women in Switzerland and are frustrated and bitter about the fact.
So you complain that we are steroetyping and then suggest that we are both ranting frustrated guys with no luck with Swiss women......basically you are a hypocrite.

There are plenty of atricles showing that, while ex-pats rate Switzerland highly for the excellent quality of life, they also rate it poorly for the ability to integrate and make friends.

https://www.thelocal.ch/20150924/exp...st-social-life

And I stand by my comments that, unlike major cities like London or NYC, you simply do not have the volumes of single women coming here on their own as you do with men (due to the nature of the job market here). If you don't speak the local language, unsurprisingly, you will have a much smaller pond to fish in.

I'm married in any event, but having lived in both London and Dublin as a single guy I would never choose Zurich over those options. Your experiences may be different, hence the OP asking on an open forum.
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Old 11.04.2019, 13:39
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So you complain that we are steroetyping and then suggest that we are both ranting frustrated guys with no luck with Swiss women......basically you are a hypocrite.
That is obviously not hypocritical because I am judging only you two purely based on the amusing blanket statements you wrote (and more so with Karl as his post contained more vitriol), I am not judging or stereotyping all expat men based on the things you wrote.

If you are going to attempt to write a cutting rebuttal, at least make it logical.

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And I stand by my comments that, unlike major cities like London or NYC, you simply do not have the volumes of single women coming here on their own as you do with men (due to the nature of the job market here). If you don't speak the local language, unsurprisingly, you will have a much smaller pond to fish in.

I'm married in any event, but having lived in both London and Dublin as a single guy I would never choose Zurich over those options. Your experiences may be different, hence the OP asking on an open forum.
Personally, I have always found NYC to be a shithole, despite living 20-30 minutes away for most of my adult life before moving here (and 50-60 minutes while growing up).

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Even if you do strike up a conversation with one, they will be unbelievably boring, seldom having anything to add to a conversation. Not that they are stupid, but just incredibly inhibited.
Hmm, that describes 0% of the Swiss women I have known.

Inhibited?

Now you're just inventing stuff.

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Hmm, that describes 0% of the Swiss women I have known.

Inhibited?

Now you're just inventing stuff.

Tom
Let's say you chat up a girl from your office, she's the age of your son, she's not really into your ideas and you're not man enough to realize she's got a point yet is in a uncomforable situation - you might end up claiming she was inhibited. And maybe you're so frustrated that you decide all of her kind are.



I wonder how I came up with all this .....
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Hey folks!

Some background about me:
I'm a 40 year old guy - Irish EU citizen. Currently single, and have been living in Vancouver, Canada for the past three years.
I'm a senior software developer (18 years experience) and I studied German in school, so I should pick it up pretty quick.

Due to family reasons in Ireland, I'm thinking about moving closer to home - and I'm deciding between Zurich and other cities in Europe.
To be honest, Vancouver is a pretty 'clicky' place. Whilst you can meet lots of new people here, it's quite tough to build a close circle of friends.


I'm curious if anyone around my age has experience of moving to Zurich on their own? Was it easy to meet new people and form a group of friends? Are most of your friends expats or local Swiss?


I'll be doing this move solo. Any help greatly appreciated!

Will probably have lots of other questions but will save them for other threads!

Thanks
Well, it's a nice place to be closer to your home country. If you find a good job here money won't be a problem and you could travel around a lot. As for social circles - lots of people in your situation hang around with work colleagues at first and gradually extend their circle - expats and locals too. If you have some preconceived ideas and are really determined to go all local and blah blah integration blah blah blah, good luck. If you take people as they come - all nationalities, shapes and colours, you'll be fine. Patience is also a necessary virtue (although not sufficient) in order to make this place feel like home. Be open-minded, independent, take initiatives and you'll be doing (relatively) fine.
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That is not obviously not hypocritical
So, hypocritical then?

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If you are going to attempt to write a cutting rebuttal, at least make it logical.
See above
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Re: Did you move to Switzerland on your own?

Look, it's just a numbers game. You have only to meet one nice woman, and everything is coming up roses, and suddenly the whole place seems different. It's just that the odds here are lower than other more cosmopolitan and larger cities. So choose the table where you want to roll your dice. The odds here are generally lower than other places. Oh, and yes, I have met 3 GFs here and am now married. It all just happened over a much longer time than I expected. Just sayin.
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And I stand by my comments that, unlike major cities like London or NYC, you simply do not have the volumes of single women coming here on their own as you do with men (due to the nature of the job market here). If you don't speak the local language, unsurprisingly, you will have a much smaller pond to fish in.
Yes you are correct, you can't compare. You can't compare because the sizes of cities are nowhere near the same, because English is not a local language, but beyond that, there's two more pieces:

The concept of "dating" is not very common here. It's becoming more common due to pop culture influence, but it's nowhere near how it is in particularly the US.

And what many people qualify as a friendship is not what the Swiss think is one. You go to certain countries, meet someone for half a second and they call you their friend and how much they love you. It doesn't work like that here.

Why move countries but have the expectation that it's the exact same as it it is "at home"? Is it fair to point out there are differences, yes, though everyone with a basic ability to think logically should be able to figure that out.
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Re: Did you move to Switzerland on your own?

I moved to outside Zurich three years ago and made friends more easily than I expected. The swiss, if you're a little extroverted (I am), like to listen and if you talk about your self and life abroad, I find people (sometimes) will be interested.

I was single and used Tinder quite a bit and found I met some cool people on dates. More so than in other places.

There are a lot of events in Zurich
https://www.zuerich.com/en/events-ex...y=alphabetical

I know there's a lot of meetup stuff in there and maybe that's not your thing, but there's other stuff as well, across all interests. That will get you seeing other people. There are some cool laid back music venues where you could meet people as well. I particularly like https://zaehringer.ch/
I found you meet more people at more laid back places rather than "cool" places.

Zurich has a full cultural calendar, a lot of movie theaters including one that basically just has well-selected old films year-round (Film Podium) and within an hour's drive, you have great skiing, hiking, biking, etc.

Doing activities is key is you want to meet people.

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