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... it gets worse! Just received a letter today to attend a court hearing because horrible neighbours across are asking for 45.000 CHF damages because apparently the PPE "annexe building" (boiler room) has created damp on their wall. Hearing is on the day I am supposed to give a conference in Greece!


30 minutes after I opened this letter, my (nice) neighbour calls me in panic because the water pressure pump valve has gone crazy and we now have 60 cm of water in that part of the building (thank god not the one attached to suing neighbours!), the pressure was such that the heavy manhole was lifted and carried away.


Who's got the address for Exit?
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... it gets worse! Just received a letter today to attend a court hearing because horrible neighbours across are asking for 45.000 CHF damages because apparently the PPE "annexe building" (boiler room) has created damp on their wall. Hearing is on the day I am supposed to give a conference in Greece!


30 minutes after I opened this letter, my (nice) neighbour calls me in panic because the water pressure pump valve has gone crazy and we now have 60 cm of water in that part of the building (thank god not the one attached to suing neighbours!), the pressure was such that the heavy manhole was lifted and carried away.


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Your building's a recent conversion from a farm building (or something similar) isn't it? Such problems will therefore be covered by the developer's guarantee and/or insurance. Contact them, plus your own household insurance and let them sort it out!

#2 son's in-laws are suing their neighbours for serious damage caused to the fabric of their property (17th century stone farm building); a burst water pipe had saturated the ground butting up to the in-laws building and despite warnings had been ignored by neighbours for years! That's being handled by their respective insurances and has been dragging on for at least four years....

EXIT.... don't you dare!
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Your building's a recent conversion from a farm building (or something similar) isn't it? Such problems will therefore be covered by the developer's guarantee and/or insurance. Contact them, plus your own household insurance and let them sort it out!

#2 son's in-laws are suing their neighbours for serious damage caused to the fabric of their property (17th century stone farm building); a burst water pipe had saturated the ground butting up to the in-laws building and despite warnings had been ignored by neighbours for years! That's being handled by their respective insurances and has been dragging on for at least four years....

EXIT.... don't you dare!

You can't let the insurance sort it when you are summoned to court, can you? Angela, I just cannot cope anymore, it's all too much in one go.
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You can't let the insurance sort it when you are summoned to court, can you? Angela, I just cannot cope anymore, it's all too much in one go.
Is this the first you've heard of it? And is it the boiler room for the whole building, or just your bit?

I still think this will be covered by the developer as it's such a recent conversion.
Speak to your insurance company, they really should be involved in this as it's not something you've done personally to cause the damage to the fabric of the building.
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Is this the first you've heard of it? And is it the boiler room for the whole building, or just your bit?

I still think this will be covered by the developer as it's such a recent conversion.
Speak to your insurance company, they really should be involved in this as it's not something you've done personally to cause the damage to the fabric of the building.


First I've heard of it since they tried to claim 350.000 CHF just before we moved in for loss of value of their house because of the joint technical building...the plans for which their own children had signed off!
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You can't let the insurance sort it when you are summoned to court, can you? Angela, I just cannot cope anymore, it's all too much in one go.
You should call the insurance asap and maybe they'll settle with the neighbours or convince the neighbours it is not your house causing this, in both cases a court case might be avoided, or they say that you're insured or the builder is responsible in which it is of your chest. And also give court a call to ask if it can be another date. And in no way acknowledge responsibility for the damage unless official reports say so.

If possible you could ask a friend to come over and help some with the calls. You already have other stuff on your head.
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You can't let the insurance sort it when you are summoned to court, can you? Angela, I just cannot cope anymore, it's all too much in one go.
Do you have legal insurance? If you do give them a call, they are used to dealing with this sort of stuff.

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You can't let the insurance sort it when you are summoned to court, can you? Angela, I just cannot cope anymore, it's all too much in one go.
You don't have to handle these things on your own. The first step is to delay the court hearing. You can do so by proving that you are travelling for work. The second step would be to get a lawyer, if anything to push off the court appointment and allow you some time to investigate how the insurance can help, if you, as a new owner, are responsible for the damp or if it's a pre-existing problem.

Many things can be done.

If you don't already have an assurance juridique it's worth getting one for the future. It's about CHF 270 per year.

For now, perhaps the lawyer/notaire who did the paper work for the purchase of your house can guide you?

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Re: When a man already is on his knees...

I do have legal insurance, as said neighbours already had a reputation in the village as "suing happy" (they sued their own daughter two years ago!) and I took it as soon as we moved in.


I had no hot water or heating following the flooding but managed to get a guy at 8.00 p.m who has done some temporary fixing. Tomorrow is a new day...I bloody hope!
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The day is not over but so far:


- A colleague at work saw my zombie face and said: "come here, you!" and gave me the longest, most crushing hug I've had for a long time, she made me cry the silly cow, but it felt good!


- A friend back in England is texting me every evening forcing me to relate one positive thing in the day. I struggled last night but she would not let go until I did. Bless her, she probably saved my life.


- A Swiss "neighbour" further down the road has invited my for dinner on Easter Sunday, the first invitation to dinner by a Swiss in 7 years!


- It's warmer than yesterday and still, the heating is back on.


- There's a wee dram waiting for me on the kitchen worktop.


Have a lovely week-end everyone from your Scot gone all softie, softie!
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See, you made it through another day!!

The friend back in England sounds like a good one, glad she persisted.
And a beak-through lunch with neighbours too! Had sort-of assumed your kids would've been home for the holidays.

Dare I ask if you've had any joy with the insurance company yet??
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See, you made it through another day!!

The friend back in England sounds like a good one, glad she persisted.
And a beak-through lunch with neighbours too! Had sort-of assumed your kids would've been home for the holidays.

Dare I ask if you've had any joy with the insurance company yet??

No kid over for Easter. Number one staying in Scotland and N2 is out with some friends somewhere. So I was glad to get this invitation otherwise I would have had to eat my chocolate egg all by myself!


We sent the "file" to the "regie" as we are a PPE and it looks so far like I've got nothing else to do, they have taken charge for now and I feel all the lighter for it.
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Sorry to hear about this. But don't forget your shiny new bundle of joy; your Samsung Galaxy A7!

Not to make light, but you can install Google Assistant or Samsung's Bixby and she/he can actually tell jokes, play music or even answer questions, "Why is my wife being such a b***h?" for instance! Can't guarantee that they have a satisfactory answer...

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The day is not over but so far:


- A colleague at work saw my zombie face and said: "come here, you!" and gave me the longest, most crushing hug I've had for a long time, she made me cry the silly cow, but it felt good!


- A friend back in England is texting me every evening forcing me to relate one positive thing in the day. I struggled last night but she would not let go until I did. Bless her, she probably saved my life.


- A Swiss "neighbour" further down the road has invited my for dinner on Easter Sunday, the first invitation to dinner by a Swiss in 7 years!


- It's warmer than yesterday and still, the heating is back on.


- There's a wee dram waiting for me on the kitchen worktop.


Have a lovely week-end everyone from your Scot gone all softie, softie!
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No kid over for Easter. Number one staying in Scotland and N2 is out with some friends somewhere. So I was glad to get this invitation otherwise I would have had to eat my chocolate egg all by myself!


We sent the "file" to the "regie" as we are a PPE and it looks so far like I've got nothing else to do, they have taken charge for now and I feel all the lighter for it.
Good; a problem shared and all that.

Hope that dram (or three) waiting for you in the kitchen helps the evening pass peacefully..... and you're able to enjoy the coming weekend with a lighter heart than you had yesterday.
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... it gets worse! Just received a letter today to attend a court hearing because horrible neighbours across are asking for 45.000 CHF damages because apparently the PPE "annexe building" (boiler room) has created damp on their wall. Hearing is on the day I am supposed to give a conference in Greece!


30 minutes after I opened this letter, my (nice) neighbour calls me in panic because the water pressure pump valve has gone crazy and we now have 60 cm of water in that part of the building (thank god not the one attached to suing neighbours!), the pressure was such that the heavy manhole was lifted and carried away.


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Ok, someone sent me a message because she was worried about you so, first things first: you are loved and you have people that care for you. That's something awesome to have!

Now, onto this business:

I am sorry you have to deal with this. As others have mentioned, try to get a delay on the court hearing. That should be possible, specially if you are out of the country due to work. I am sure there is a phone number on the summons you can contact.

Second, I am sorry to say, but no matter who's at fault, you will be better off getting a lawyer as soon as possible. We've been dealing with way too many "suing happy" people atm - which is unfortunately too common. You give too much leeway in a democracy, and people think that they are kings and have therefore the ok to attack everyone in their vicinity. You need to protect yourself. The only way I managed to protect myself from a bloody neighbour that keeps spewing lies about us (we wanted to build a garden wall, but had to get permission from the whole block) was to show up with the threat of a lawyer. We're the 3rd family that had to do that. Some people have too much money and too much time, so they make it a hobby to annoy everyone and try to prey on the suckers.

Don't be a sucker.

I do not know your case in detail, but from what I see here written, you renovated an old building, and built/renovated an annex - with the permission of the children of the people suing you. I do suppose you had a proper professional doing the job. How long ago? Is it still within building warranty (about 3 years)? You can ask either the company that did this for you, or a professional advised by your insurance, to take a look at the plans and the built object to confirm that everything is according to the norms, and that the problem is either fabricated or not coming from your end.

If you are at fault, the usual solution is to get it fixed before you sue someone, so I am not sure what is going on here - if the usual assholish neighbour chicanery, or some miscommunication.

It is, however, possible that you are indeed at fault - due to poor planing or bad construction - so you might need to fix this. But I would take a deep breath and surround myself with the proper professionals. They can provide you with the knowledge and the peace of mind you need when in a bit of a pickle.
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Hearing is on the day I am supposed to give a conference in Greece!
If you get the chance whilst you're there, have a wander down to Gyristroula https://gyristroula.gr/?lang=en It's on the edge of Monastiraki, at the far end of Adrianou and Ermou, near the Thissio Metro stop. Order yourself 2 pork gyros and a half litre carafe of the house wine, and watch out for an old guy in his 80's who always sits alone, but is served without anyone needing to take his order because he dines there every night. If you spot him, say hello. He's a wonderful man, and lived in Australia for over 50yrs so speaks fluent English.

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- A colleague at work saw my zombie face and said: "come here, you!" and gave me the longest, most crushing hug I've had for a long time, she made me cry the silly cow, but it felt good!

- A friend back in England is texting me every evening forcing me to relate one positive thing in the day. I struggled last night but she would not let go until I did. Bless her, she probably saved my life.

- A Swiss "neighbour" further down the road has invited my for dinner on Easter Sunday, the first invitation to dinner by a Swiss in 7 years!
Each of those people is worth their weight in pure gold...and they think you are too.
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I've got no advice for you, but you might want to know that there are a couple of duck fanciers who have taken quite a shine to you and frequently ask when you'll be around again.

As someone said above: you are loved.
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Ok, someone sent me a message because she was worried about you so, first things first: you are loved and you have people that care for you. That's something awesome to have!

Now, onto this business:

I am sorry you have to deal with this. As others have mentioned, try to get a delay on the court hearing. That should be possible, specially if you are out of the country due to work. I am sure there is a phone number on the summons you can contact.

Second, I am sorry to say, but no matter who's at fault, you will be better off getting a lawyer as soon as possible. We've been dealing with way too many "suing happy" people atm - which is unfortunately too common. You give too much leeway in a democracy, and people think that they are kings and have therefore the ok to attack everyone in their vicinity. You need to protect yourself. The only way I managed to protect myself from a bloody neighbour that keeps spewing lies about us (we wanted to build a garden wall, but had to get permission from the whole block) was to show up with the threat of a lawyer. We're the 3rd family that had to do that. Some people have too much money and too much time, so they make it a hobby to annoy everyone and try to prey on the suckers.

Don't be a sucker.

I do not know your case in detail, but from what I see here written, you renovated an old building, and built/renovated an annex - with the permission of the children of the people suing you. I do suppose you had a proper professional doing the job. How long ago? Is it still within building warranty (about 3 years)? You can ask either the company that did this for you, or a professional advised by your insurance, to take a look at the plans and the built object to confirm that everything is according to the norms, and that the problem is either fabricated or not coming from your end.

If you are at fault, the usual solution is to get it fixed before you sue someone, so I am not sure what is going on here - if the usual assholish neighbour chicanery, or some miscommunication.

It is, however, possible that you are indeed at fault - due to poor planing or bad construction - so you might need to fix this. But I would take a deep breath and surround myself with the proper professionals. They can provide you with the knowledge and the peace of mind you need when in a bit of a pickle.


The building is less than 3 years old, was done under the supervision of an architect and according to the plans again signed by children of said neighbours. It got a final inspection, is approved by all the relevant authorities, so in that respect every step and procedure was respected. my theory is that once the parents started to see this annexe building, they disliked it, but tough shit, they were happy to see their children become millionaires overnight and I'm sure benefiting too. Unfortunately, these kind of parasites blow off their money in the flick of a finger and are now trying to find a way to finance their next luxury cruise.
The regie is adamant that they've got things under control, although we are meeting with the other two co-owning families to see if we cannot counter sue for the various (so far unsuccessful) attempts at stopping us from moving in 3 years ago, claiming 350.000 CHF for loss of value to their house etc....not to mention the series of intimations, trespassing on our property, small acts of provocation (that we've always ignored...)

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