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Re: Climate change - what do you do to save the world?

An interesting article on BBC today about food waste.

We don't often think about how much food we waste when we talk about things that are "bad" for the environment, but maybe we should. Think about how much energy we expend producing, transporting, consuming, and even disposing of food.

http://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/fo...third-of-food/
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An interesting article on BBC today about food waste.

We don't often think about how much food we waste when we talk about things that are "bad" for the environment, but maybe we should. Think about how much energy we expend producing, transporting, consuming, and even disposing of food.

http://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/fo...third-of-food/
I actually do think of it more often these days. In general, if you never spent a day on a farm is close to impossible to realise how much work goes into out food, how we take everything for granted. And then, it's easy to forget about common sense once you're caught up in the mad consumerism of the Western world, which sadly is not only a Western thing these days.
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Simply stating the problem. And how we can go about maybe finding a solution. Basically we dont need some unknown future high tech to deal with it or instant birth control. That's just putting the problem off for the next generation.
If you do not believe future tech will solve this then to quote the Bible "Corinthians 15:32b: "Let us eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.""

There is no solution today; maybe some delaying actions...
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Old 01.07.2019, 09:14
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??

Nowhere in that article does it say we'd all be dead by now.

They said ' we have ten years to solve the problem' and they were likely correct- if we had acted 30 years ago there might have been a way out of this mess. Since then we've burned more fossil fuels than we had burned in the previous 250 yrs. As of now it doesn't look like anything is going to slow the Arctic melt, and undoubtedly there is a lag time between when we inject energy and pollutants into the atmosphere and when the system stabilizes. This is just the beginning, the opening of the last act.
This.

Reading it back, despite being now 30 years old the article seems pretty prescient.
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Old 01.07.2019, 09:30
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Re: Climate change - what do you do to save the world?

Glutony.

When you think about what wastes food - is the desire for having choice. I often hear "how could you grow up having no choice over food in restos or shops" - when it in fact meant we never ate out, people cooked at home, grew their own stuff, shared competences, had more choice over how stuff should be grown and prepared. Modern life gives an illusion of choice while it is just convenience that translates into monstrous food waste, no need for competences aside of food ordering, looks like. When I was vegan the options to eat out or buy processed stuff didn't exist, it was probably healthier to buy into the fads back then. Most of the stuff was raw, too. The food choice in your reg US grocery store is just overwhealmingly...illogical for me, I guess.

Yep, wasting food is my only pet peeve, really. I bet in 100 years, we will have no restos or food stores, and we will have rationing again.
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Yep, wasting food is my only pet peeve, really. I bet in 100 years, we will have no restos or food stores, and we will have rationing again.
Unless you're open to indulging in insects..?

Bzzzz burgers.
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An interesting article on BBC today about food waste.

We don't often think about how much food we waste when we talk about things that are "bad" for the environment, but maybe we should. Think about how much energy we expend producing, transporting, consuming, and even disposing of food.

http://www.bbc.com/future/bespoke/fo...third-of-food/
Being skeptical on the effects of climate change doesnít mean we donít see the benefits of reducing food waste. You donít need to be petrified of climate change to see that waste is generally a bad thing. I canít abide food waste and am proud of the efforts we go to in our household to ensure itís minimal. Youíd be surprised what you can rustle up with a few shriveled carrots, sprouting potatoes, leftover chicken etc. The same applies to alternative power sources and electric cars. Iím all for them so long as the rational argument is there, being forced to use them due to the emotional argument over climate change is something Iím not so keen on.

What I canít stand though is those that say we should start eating insects to save the planet. Feel free to tuck into that, but donít expect me to follow suit. Thereís plenty of ways in which food yields can be increased without resorting to maggots on toast. One of the best ways is GM crops - we can genetically modify crops that can grow on a teaspoon of water, yet whenever anyone attempts to do this in Europe, some climate activist will come and roll all over them. Itís a funny old world.
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Unless you're open to indulging in insects..?

Bzzzz burgers.

I mean...kids bring them for school snacks, the coop insects.

I feel really bad for the little creatures (the bugs). I have the same problem with seafood small things.

I should feel bad for the poor little chicken in my fridge, too, shouldn't I. Hmmm.



Urban foraging will really pick up, me thinks. Insects included. Though, fried roaches do not appeal, yet.

I don't feel restricted by pretty unimaginative childhood in terms of food that regime wanted us to eat, but we really had not much waste, when I think about it. As a system.

I can't feel restricted when I think about older generation's UNRA experiences and food shortages. Having an A on a school report rewarded by that one orange once every few years. Precious since it came from so far. Now one gotta peel them for kids otherwise they wouldn't eat it. "It's got a jacket!"

It is more like - how do we have kids knowing how special food is, what goes into it, the cost, etc. Without the drab. When their classmates toss their untouched lunches in front of them to the trashcan since it is not good enough. Another joy of single income household, too. Grr.
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Old 01.07.2019, 10:21
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What I canít stand though is those that say we should start eating insects to save the planet. Feel free to tuck into that, but donít expect me to follow suit. Thereís plenty of ways in which food yields can be increased without resorting to maggots on toast. One of the best ways is GM crops - we can genetically modify crops that can grow on a teaspoon of water, yet whenever anyone attempts to do this in Europe, some climate activist will come and roll all over them. Itís a funny old world.
Are you sure it's all climate activists who are squeamish about GM crops? Seems to be more the anti-vax / homeopathy / chemtrails brigade, no?

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I mean...kids bring them for school snacks, the coop insects.

I feel really bad for the little creatures (the bugs). I have the same problem with seafood small things.

I should feel bad for the poor little chicken in my fridge, too, shouldn't I. Hmmm.
I think we are eating insects more than we know. Aren't they ground up in many products these days (intentionally, obvs - not just poor hygiene in factories)?

I'm fine with insects in the diet, I don't mean from a "save the planet" perspective, they're a good source of protein and far healthier than a slab of red meat.

Meanwhile in Mexico...

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Are you sure it's all climate activists who are squeamish about GM crops? Seems to be more the anti-vax / homeopathy / chemtrails brigade, no?
Nope, the people who are having issues with GM crops have them for totally different reasons: I am all for the independent research carried out to feed people in Africa. If this is done in a proper scientific way can this be a big part of the solution. And I know that there are some great projects going on...

The problem with crops in the developed world is that we already have a highly concentrated market. Farmers have to buy their seeds from one of the very few companies leftÖ like Syngenta (nowadays owned by the Chinese government) to Monsanto. These companies have time and again proven to be the least trustworthy organisations around - and if their research is anything like their business practices with farmers do I expect them to use the potential of genetics to produce crops that are tailored to their pesticides, only grow well when their own fertilizers are used and whatever other ideas they can come up with. Besides expecting them to use the technology to come up with the most morally rotten products do I also expect them to test their products on the consumers and in American fashion rather risking to have to pay out some millions in court settlements in a decade or two instead of making sure the products are safe.

So: If that GM science would come from something like the ETH am I all for it. The current companies working in crop science? No, thanks...
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Re: Climate change - what do you do to save the world?

Well, it's no so much foraging for live bugs in the corners. It's about growing insects for food manufacturing that can have a significant impact. The industrial-scale growing of insects for protein has a dramatically lower environmental impact than keeping cattle.

Just a few months ago I tried the Essento-brand mealworm burgers. The idea is that instead of using meat for the protein content, they use Tenebrio Molitor meal. The patties have some 20% protein (if I remember correctly), which is probably half as much as a regular beef protein, but enough for a human diet (an average person needs around 50g of protein per day, and each patty has some 17g or so).

My experience is: they have a fairly sharp taste, and still kind of dry. Not totally different from a regular veggie patty. I'd try them again in some time, to see if they improve their recipe.
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I wonder if the medical worms can be recycled for burger worms. Win-win.
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"Medical worms" as in parasites? Isn't that a bit ?

I see a bit of a PR/Advertising barrier there.
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Re: Climate change - what do you do to save the world?

Medical worms get rid off gangrene on infected skin.

Where are the "zero waste" campaigners when we need them.


I gotta re-educate myself on the perks of insect protein, obviously.
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Was this necessary to the debate, Urs?
He's implying that the researchers and scientists who say that climate change is real and mostly man-made are in it for the money, that they're all bought one way or another and can't be trusted. It's a direct personal attack on them on the lowest level. I merely reciprocated.
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Re: Climate change - what do you do to save the world?

I only buy drinks in glass bottles, with the exception when travelling by car as that can be dangerous.

I also continually moan about the use of single use plastic by Manor and the Co-op. It's quite disgusting that the ham is cut and placed in 100gm plastic containers. If I want to buy 300 gms then I have to pick up 3 packs!

At least now the co-op is using paper bags for bread with a cellophane window, rather than the all plastic bags they used to use.
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I also continually moan about the use of single use plastic by Manor and the Co-op. It's quite disgusting that the ham is cut and placed in 100gm plastic containers. If I want to buy 300 gms then I have to pick up 3 packs!
Just buy a whole one and slice it yourself!

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He's implying that the researchers and scientists who say that climate change is real and mostly man-made are in it for the money, that they're all bought one way or another and can't be trusted.
Exactly!

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Just buy a whole one and slice it yourself!
A whole pig????????????
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A whole pig????????????
I vote Tom as the most kosher EF member.

Btw - we should have "the most..", "the least.." EFer competition!

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