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Re: Kinderkrippe Care until 22:00 at night

Had to read this a few times to make sure I got it right.... you want someone to watch your children until 10pm in a Krippe?

I know people have to work to live and all but geez.... these are Krippe children...BABIES! I can tell you working in a school the most 5 year olds can do is around 5-6:30pm depending on the child then theyíre off to nanny or mom/dad and totally mentally and physically done. I have to also askó- is the cost youíre paying for childcare equal to the working hours? Because only absolute necessity could make me spend until 9 or 10 in the evenings at my office while my children are pretty much living at krippe.
Another thing, is it not easier and more cost effective to hire a nanny or babysitter? This would be easier on the children and yourselves surely.

I just find this really unreasonable and I think most other posters are too polite to say...
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Had to read this a few times to make sure I got it right.... you want someone to watch your children until 10pm in a Krippe?

I just find this really unreasonable and I think most other posters are too polite to say...
OP has previously mentioned that both parents start work "early afternoon". Let's say 14:00, so they come off at 22:00 if they have to put in 8 hrs. I haven't worked shift-hours myself, so I'm in no position to judge the OP. I'll simply assume that OP is doing the best they can with their situation. IMO, a nanny that will stay at home with the children is a better option, rather than the kids stay at the Krippe.
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Had to read this a few times to make sure I got it right.... you want someone to watch your children until 10pm in a Krippe?

I know people have to work to live and all but geez.... these are Krippe children...BABIES! I can tell you working in a school the most 5 year olds can do is around 5-6:30pm depending on the child then they’re off to nanny or mom/dad and totally mentally and physically done. I have to also ask—- is the cost you’re paying for childcare equal to the working hours? Because only absolute necessity could make me spend until 9 or 10 in the evenings at my office while my children are pretty much living at krippe.
Another thing, is it not easier and more cost effective to hire a nanny or babysitter? This would be easier on the children and yourselves surely.

I just find this really unreasonable and I think most other posters are too polite to say...
Sometimes you cannot pick and choose easily the hours you work. Some jobs mostly have shift work.
Yes, this may not be ideal but what should OP do? Finding another job is not always easy and we do not know why OP does this kind a of work.

I for one am not politely saying that this is unreasonable, I think that OP is trying to find the best solution possible at the moment. You canīt send the kids back, can you?

Please have some compassion, it is not always easy finding jobs where they can work when they want or the hours they want.
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Had to read this a few times to make sure I got it right.... you want someone to watch your children until 10pm in a Krippe?

I know people have to work to live and all but geez.... these are Krippe children...BABIES! I can tell you working in a school the most 5 year olds can do is around 5-6:30pm depending on the child then theyíre off to nanny or mom/dad and totally mentally and physically done. I have to also askó- is the cost youíre paying for childcare equal to the working hours? Because only absolute necessity could make me spend until 9 or 10 in the evenings at my office while my children are pretty much living at krippe.
Another thing, is it not easier and more cost effective to hire a nanny or babysitter? This would be easier on the children and yourselves surely.

I just find this really unreasonable and I think most other posters are too polite to say...

U think they dont know that...?Maybe they dont have a choice,so pls dont be so judgmental.
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What are you going to do when they go to school?
Boarding school?

How old are the kids? If they're old enough to do some basic assembly-line work, there are some factories that can employ them cash-in-hand for the evening shift which will keep them occupied and generate a small income in addition!
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Sorry, some things I find it rather hard to have compassion for when we are all* living in Switzerland. The job market is booming here, the money even in non-university jobs is plentiful, and the hours ARE what you agree to at the end of the day. Itís really not cruel or judgmental to point out the obvious when I could give you page after page how itís detrimental to the health and well-being of a child. Unemployment here is also rather cushion-y. I just think there would be a light bulb of some sort going off regarding why Krippes donít offer care until 22:00... why itís so difficult. Itís because babies are not made for that scheduling. Neither are most adult persons.

In a two parent circumstance one needs to start thinking of a lifestyle and work change perhaps would have been better before the children.
My point is there seems to be a thousand better options... painfully obviously. Again, I even debated on whether to respond thinking perhaps itís a troll but then I remembered parents who repeatedly forget their children etc etc and it strikes a nerve
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The job market is booming here, the money even in non-university jobs is plentiful
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Sorry, some things I find it rather hard to have compassion for when we are all* living in Switzerland. The job market is booming here, the money even in non-university jobs is plentiful, and the hours ARE what you agree to at the end of the day.
But not for everyone.

There are many people who do not have the option of jobs where the money is plentiful and the hours family-friendly. Or who simply have made the decision that a route different from yours is the right way to go for their families.

We need to be careful not to assume that everyone is in the same boat that we are.

And we need to be careful not to judge other people through the prism of our own lives.


There is no one-size-fits-all - for parenting, for work, for pretty much all aspects of life. You do what is best for you and yours given your own circumstances, please respect that others also make the best decisions for their familes, given their own circumstances.


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For example, I am very grateful to the evening shift workers who were working their very important jobs when my husband landed in the emergency room one night.

And yes, some of those nurses and doctors had babies and small children.

You, too, may one day be thankful that there are folks who choose to structure their work and family life in a way different from yours.
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Re: Kinderkrippe Care until 22:00 at night

Once more, life is the way you structure it.

Okay, letís say they are nurses and whatnot. Thereís a variety of hospitals and normal praxis hours to chose from. Itís a matter of preference. Just like itís an active choice not to restart another career if it doesnít fit family circumstance.
It might not be a popular opinion in Switzerland when most people are here (letís face it) for the money in the expat community but itís a reality none the less.

I assume the OP is a good person just like everyone here starting to get bothered because we also need to make money to feed our families, clothing, and general life events.

Letís get back to my real annoyance... it was the fact that the OP thought there should be a Krippe open until 22:00 which to me: this is the most crazy because somehow the child has gotta sleep at a decent time and canít even imagine the parents driving or public at that time shuffling back & forth all like zombies.
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Once more, life is the way you structure it.

Okay, let’s say they are nurses and whatnot. There’s a variety of hospitals and normal praxis hours to chose from. It’s a matter of preference. Just like it’s an active choice not to restart another career if it doesn’t fit family circumstance.
It might not be a popular opinion in Switzerland when most people are here (let’s face it) for the money in the expat community but it’s a reality none the less.

I assume the OP is a good person just like everyone here starting to get bothered because we also need to make money to feed our families, clothing, and general life events.

Let’s get back to my real annoyance... it was the fact that the OP thought there should be a Krippe open until 22:00 which to me: this is the most crazy because somehow the child has gotta sleep at a decent time and can’t even imagine the parents driving or public at that time shuffling back & forth all like zombies.
I agree that it is important to get a good chunk of sleep in that important revitilizing time window, say 9pm-12pm. You cannot go around it and compensate it by napping during the day doesn't do the job well enough (circadian rhythm-wise). I agree with you on this and honestly think it does put a strain on the immune system and growth development. A kid picked at 9pm will be in bed later than 9.30pm me thinks. Falling asleep in a car seat or a buggy isn't an ideal bed time, either. I understand your annoyance.

But it might really not be a matter of preference for some. It is not a popular solution here because you often pay different fee (here), because you get a nice accomodating granny or two to pick your kids at 6pm and make them a dinner and put them to bed. Or to keep them the whole day, really, all my local friends do that here since daycare is so expensive and educationally speaking, you often get a better value having your child "taught" or stimulated by one-on-one child carer here than being in a daycare here. Ours was fab but it wasn't as clinical (did not focus on giving me back a clean child rather than a stimulated child), elsewhere most childcare rules were so focused on other priorities than curiosity and learning. I don't know how I did it alone and with two jobs, but I did, without late hours. Now I also know that it is not the case for everyone, we don't know their situation (OP also said it is just some nights, too).

Your post will certainly make people think and thanks for sharing. But sometimes the situation is a lot more complex, we don't know what else is in it, don't know the parent job security, etc. I wouldn't assume they put their babies as secondary, I bet they work their as$%# off because their babies are their priority so they keep on this because they need their job security for their children. Not everyone is like that, mind you.
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Once more, life is the way you structure it.

Okay, let’s say they are nurses and whatnot. There’s a variety of hospitals and normal praxis hours to chose from. It’s a matter of preference. Just like it’s an active choice not to restart another career if it doesn’t fit family circumstance.
It might not be a popular opinion in Switzerland when most people are here (let’s face it) for the money in the expat community but it’s a reality none the less.
Nurses, doctors don’t have as much choice as you think. Especially since everyone is motivated by money. I’m being sarcastic, but the truth is that you cannot always choose your shift.

And if being here is all about the money, why wouldn’t an enterprising childcare worker sense a need for a Kinderkrippe open later.
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Because client is not a king here. Daycares make enough as it is and the waiting lists are long, no shortage of clients. Daycares would also need to find workers who would work really late shifts, work hours are regulated here, too. Just like shopping hours, they cannot just decide. That's here, though, maybe other cantons have it easier.
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Because client is not a king here. Daycares make enough as it is and the waiting lists are long, no shortage of clients. Daycares would also need to find workers who would work really late shifts, work hours are regulated here, too. Just like shopping hours, they cannot just decide. That's here, though, maybe other cantons have it easier.
Also there is simply no market for daycare till 22:00 at ours normal pick-up time is before 17:45, if something came in between they can keep the child till 20:00 by appointing somebody to do overtime, the options of who can do overtime however are limited due to legal requirements on educational level and a lot of people in daycare don't have the level to lead a group/child, or they are still students. However with over 200 kids at our daycare the building is dark (and thus empty) at 20:00 when I pass it. Also they would have to start working in shifts when 22:00 would be a normal time since one needs a block of 11 hours of rest in between two working days and they open at 7:00 and let's not forget it is not just one person staying behind it at least has to be two. So even if they would think of offering such it would be so costly due to low demand that those who would like it would find it overly expensive.

Just find somebody who you pay to pick up your child, puts it to bed at home and watches a movie or does homework/study till you come home, cheaper and better.
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Once more, life is the way you structure it.

Okay, letís say they are nurses and whatnot. Thereís a variety of hospitals and normal praxis hours to chose from. Itís a matter of preference. Just like itís an active choice not to restart another career if it doesnít fit family circumstance.
It might not be a popular opinion in Switzerland when most people are here (letís face it) for the money in the expat community but itís a reality none the less.

I assume the OP is a good person just like everyone here starting to get bothered because we also need to make money to feed our families, clothing, and general life events.

Letís get back to my real annoyance... it was the fact that the OP thought there should be a Krippe open until 22:00 which to me: this is the most crazy because somehow the child has gotta sleep at a decent time and canít even imagine the parents driving or public at that time shuffling back & forth all like zombies.
Some professions simply do not allow for strictly daytime hours, so you say they should change profession but how..?. do a study besides work, and than be a 30/40 yr old foreigner with no experience and no willingness for overtime, yeah the market is really waiting for those.... By the time one finds something and done the study the kid is already in the school system.

Problem here for a lot of expats is that they do not have family to help, or do not have friends they know well enough to trust them their kid which is how people normally would solve such solutions.
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