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Racism in Switzerland

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So today i tell you about things i experience here in Zurich, i'm only writing this because i think speaking about it would make me feel better. I come from Tunisia and i have a brown skin i often say Hi to strangers on the street and being friendly and nice but a lot of times Swiss people sees me as i'm like an alien from another planet with that strange look it annoys me but i try to ignore it. today i just was sitting in a coffee shop in a small town called affoltern Am Albis and there was an old Swiss man sitting on the other side the whole time he just staring at me and i felt uncomfortable 3 min later he stand up from his chair in an aggressive way and when he came near me he blow up the air from his mouth hard while looking at me and got into his car smash the door and drive away i was in a shock and sad the waiter notice the situation and felt it and she was so nice to me and in this town most people are white rare to see a foreigner but i never thought in my life that i will experience something like this and how humans can judge another human being based on the color of their skin or how they look like is really ignorant and it makes me feel depressed sometimes i even question what's wrong with me or if i look wrong because i don't look like them. it is a beautiful country but it's shame that a lot of people here is like that
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Greetings strangers in Zürich will get you strange looks no matter what color you are.
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Re: Racism in Switzerland

Sorry to hear that. Sounds like a terrible experience. While I don't believe racism is that comon here in Switzerland, I would lie if I say there isn't any. If you if happen to encounter this situation again with the same person, fill a complain (Anzeige)
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today i just was sitting in a coffee shop in a small town called affoltern Am Albis and there was an old Swiss man sitting on the other side the whole time he just staring at me and i felt uncomfortable 3 min later he stand up from his chair in an aggressive way and when he came near me he blow up the air from his mouth hard while looking at me and got into his car smash the door and drive away
Were you sitting at the Stammtisch? I'd say that would be the more likely reason for the ire of the old fart than the colour of your skin.

You're lucky. In some places, sitting at the old farts' Stammtisch will see you put in the village stocks for a week with nothing to eat but the rotten tomatoes they throw at you.
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Were you sitting at the Stammtisch? I'd say that would be the more likely reason for the ire of the old fart than the colour of your skin.

You're lucky. In some places, sitting at the old farts' Stammtisch will see you put in the village stocks for a week with nothing to eat but the rotten tomatoes they throw at you.
i was just sitting in 2 chairs table and the coffee shop was empty lol but this guy the way he was looking at me it was so full of hate and he demonstrated that with his actions
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The actions of one, old man are not the mirror of the entire population in CH!
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The actions of one, old man are not the mirror of the entire population in CH!
Please i did not say that i'm grateful for a lot of things in this country i did not say all Swiss people are Racist i just spoke about things that i experienced and made me wonder and question and that's the reason why i wrote here please don't misunderstand.
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Hello everyone,
So today i tell you about things i experience here in Zurich, i'm only writing this because i think speaking about it would make me feel better. I come from Tunisia and i have a brown skin i often say Hi to strangers on the street and being friendly and nice but a lot of times Swiss people sees me as i'm like an alien from another planet with that strange look it annoys me but i try to ignore it. today i just was sitting in a coffee shop in a small town called affoltern Am Albis and there was an old Swiss man sitting on the other side the whole time he just staring at me and i felt uncomfortable 3 min later he stand up from his chair in an aggressive way and when he came near me he blow up the air from his mouth hard while looking at me and got into his car smash the door and drive away i was in a shock and sad the waiter notice the situation and felt it and she was so nice to me and in this town most people are white rare to see a foreigner but i never thought in my life that i will experience something like this and how humans can judge another human being based on the color of their skin or how they look like is really ignorant and it makes me feel depressed sometimes i even question what's wrong with me or if i look wrong because i don't look like them. it is a beautiful country but it's shame that a lot of people here is like that
You'd be taken a lot more seriously if you title the thread appropriate! This is NOT at thread about Racism in Switzerland, it is about one incident you experience and you expecting people from other cultures to behave as you expect them to.

The fact that people react to you strangely when you greet them in the city has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with you the colour of your skin. In Zurich or any major city, the only people who greet strangers are people with physiological problems, religious nutters of all sorts, pick pockets and other petty criminals that need to distract you, politicians during elections... in other words the kind of people you do not want to have contact with.

Oh and by the way Swiss people stare all the time, it's what they do!
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Re: Racism in Switzerland

Unfortunately, a lot of people here are not being used to the foreigners. Just the way one looks, acts, dresses up, presents oneself and shows different manner of speaking than local folks are used to, make them quickly change their attitude and become uneasy towards incumbent. Small town results in small town mentality.
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You'd be taken a lot more seriously if you title the thread appropriate! This is NOT at thread about Racism in Switzerland, it is about one incident you experience and you expecting people from other cultures to behave as you expect them to.

The fact that people react to you strangely when you greet them in the city has absolutely nothing what so ever to do with you the colour of your skin. In Zurich or any major city, the only people who greet strangers are people with physiological problems, religious nutters of all sorts, pick pockets and other petty criminals that need to distract you, politicians during elections... in other words the kind of people you do not want to have contact with.

Oh and by the way Swiss people stare all the time, it's what they do!
Hold on for a moment and look what you are writing there is no excuse for what you said it's very stupid i mentioned i greet some people not as a complain it's just to show that i have no problem with anyone and i'm open minded and i'm not crazy person saying hi to everyone i see. i'm speaking about actions happened to me and what happened is not just staring so understand and read well before you comment such nonsense and stupidity
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Unfortunately, a lot of people here are not being used to the foreigners. Just the way one looks, acts, dresses up, presents oneself and manner of speaking that folks are used to, make them quickly change their attitude and become uneasy towards incumbent. Small town results in small town mentality.
thank you for understanding what i mean and saying
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Re: Racism in Switzerland

Could be racism, could agism, who knows..Maybe if you smiled back, knowing you still have your game goin' and that old poor dude doesn't, it would make you feel envied, as opposed to hated? Don't let the negatives bait you. It's their karma, not yours
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Re: Racism in Switzerland

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Sorry this is happening to you. We have had some lovely holidays in Tunisia and spent a lot of time walking around regular neighbourhoods in Tunisia, not spent our whole time in the tourists parts.



On a lighter note and in no way under playing what happened is happening sometimes to you.


One day in a shop in Tunisa, my OH was told off because I did not speak Arabic. OH then said neither did he, though he does know the odd greeting.
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Could be racism, could agism, who knows..Maybe if you smiled back, knowing you still have your game goin' and that old poor dude doesn't, it would make you feel envied, as opposed to hated? Don't let the negatives bait you. It's their karma, not yours
thank you, i was so calm in that situation and did not react even the waiter told me are you okay everything is fine and being so nice it's just this things i see it often so i decided to write about it but if you see the replies up is very worrying how they manipulate my words and taking it out of contest. i have no hate for no one and even this things happens i still push for hope and change for better in a lot of people who are xenophobic or something like that.
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Sorry this is happening to you. We have had some lovely holidays in Tunisia and spent a lot of time walking around regular neighbourhoods in Tunisia, not spent our whole time in the tourists parts.



On a lighter note and in no way under playing what happened is happening sometimes to you.


One day in a shop in Tunisa, my OH was told off because I did not speak Arabic. OH then said neither did he, though he does know the odd greeting.
yes i'm against this kind of behavior anywhere in the world because i have no problem with any person from any culture is just we understand each other and be open and this type of things happens a lot even in Switzerland but some people deny it because they never been in this situations they only judge negative
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Greetings strangers in Zürich will get you strange looks no matter what color you are.
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this.

So VERY important to keep in mind as humans tend to take one incident and generalize from there. Not true. Keep some perspective.


That said, a few weeks ago, I was walking through my town. I'm Swiss (and born and bred as that appears to be important these days to some people ), clearly white, however, I do tan very well and deeply and easily pass for something "Southern European/American" and roughly any person I've ever met anywhere in the world has asked me if I have something "Southern" in my heritage (I don't). This was on that superhot weekend and I had been by the pool, so obviously I'm very tan, though clearly it's still "white person with deep tan". This old guy drives by on his bike and sort of stops next to me, mumbling something about my tan, in a jokey manner - so far nothing unusual as I get a lot of comments (not sure why people and especially strangers feel the need to comment, but it appears they do). Then he goes on to say something along the lines of: well I know you're not black and just very dark, that's good as we have enough of those already.

I go like: WTF seriously, tell him off and keep on walking.

So not disputing some weird shit happens. But it's the exception, so see above, a general good rule to live by.

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Not true. "We" are used to foreigners (heck we have > 25%, more than any European country except Luxembourg). BUT: most immigration is from other predominantly Caucasian countries, so it's less immediately obvious. Of course there's historical reasons for that, so can't quite blame the entire country for that either.

As for small town folks: they're like this everywhere. Go to a town in the middle of nowhere in the US. You'll be stared at just as much. Even if you don't stand out as "different" in the way you look. Or go to certain parts of Asia, where you'll feel like an animal in the zoo, people gaping at you open-mouthed everywhere you go.

There's nothing inherently wrong with looking surprised at what is "different" and it's not racism as long as it's not followed up by derogatory behavior or words. It can just be curiosity or a form of harmless confusion.
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Re: Racism in Switzerland

I don't believe the Swiss to be racist, after all about 40% of the country is foreigners. I have at times being an American white male even experienced a bit of prejudice at certain times in Switzerland. After living here about 5 years I can tell you that some truly Swiss people don't want any more foreigners here. My wife who is truly Swiss even jokes about the Swiss don't like each other (German region vs French Region) so I wouldn't get to bent out of shape about an old man in a coffee shop. It will happen again or something similar, so don't expect some old Swiss guy to go out of his way to welcome you here.
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Not true. "We" are used to foreigners (heck we have > 25%, more than any European country except Luxembourg). BUT: most immigration is from other predominantly Caucasian countries, so it's less immediately obvious. Of course there's historical reasons for that, so can't quite blame the entire country for that either.

As for small town folks: they're like this everywhere. Go to a town in the middle of nowhere in the US. You'll be stared at just as much. Even if you don't stand out as "different" in the way you look. Or go to certain parts of Asia, where you'll feel like an animal in the zoo, people gaping at you open-mouthed everywhere you go.

There's nothing inherently wrong with looking surprised at what is "different" and it's not racism as long as it's not followed up by derogatory behavior or words. It can just be curiosity or a form of harmless confusion.
i agree with you, what was annoying me is he was acting aggressive and he came in front of me look me in the eyes and blow so hard and he went smashing the door of his car while looking at me in an angry way. if he just stared i don't care but you are right i guess ignoring this type of people is for the best and look more into the positive side and positive people.
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this.

So VERY important to keep in mind as humans tend to take one incident and generalize from there. Not true. Keep some perspective.


That said, a few weeks ago, I was walking through my town. I'm Swiss (and born and bred as that appears to be important these days to some people ), clearly white, however, I do tan very well and deeply and easily pass for something "Southern European/American" and roughly any person I've ever met anywhere in the world has asked me if I have something "Southern" in my heritage (I don't). This was on that superhot weekend and I had been by the pool, so obviously I'm very tan, though clearly it's still "white person with deep tan". This old guy drives by on his bike and sort of stops next to me, mumbling something about my tan, in a jokey manner - so far nothing unusual as I get a lot of comments (not sure why people and especially strangers feel the need to comment, but it appears they do). Then he goes on to say something along the lines of: well I know you're not black and just very dark, that's good as we have enough of those already.

I go like: WTF seriously, tell him off and keep on walking.

So not disputing some weird shit happens. But it's the exception, so see above, a general good rule to live by.



Not true. "We" are used to foreigners (heck we have > 25%, more than any European country except Luxembourg). BUT: most immigration is from other predominantly Caucasian countries, so it's less immediately obvious. Of course there's historical reasons for that, so can't quite blame the entire country for that either.

As for small town folks: they're like this everywhere. Go to a town in the middle of nowhere in the US. You'll be stared at just as much. Even if you don't stand out as "different" in the way you look. Or go to certain parts of Asia, where you'll feel like an animal in the zoo.

There's nothing inherently wrong with looking surprised at what is "different" and it's not racism as long as it's not followed up by derogatory behavior or words. It can just be curiosity or a form of confusion.
Very sweet explanation about other countries, historical circumstances and what’s nots. Well travelled folks have good understanding and perceive the difference but local hill-billies may not. Surely that there are places around the world like that with people out-of-curiosity staring at strangers and Switzerland seems to be one of them. Takes a bit of class, finesse and understanding not to be too overzealous with looking at others to keep them in discomfort. Cannot blame either if one resembles osama-bin-laden and recent spate of incidents in the world. But hell, this curiosity, mistrust and adversity to everything different is annoying at times. But looking surprised is one thing and perceiving individual with contempt is another.
Human beings like other animals have strong receptors in distinguishing positive from negative attitude towards one another. I don’t think the OP would have been mistaken.
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