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Big "Expats" article in Basler Zeitung today

There is a big article on english speaking expats in the Basler Zeitung today:

"Expats sind nur wirtschaftlich gut integriert"
"Das Pub-Quiz ist ein Stück Heimat in Basel"
"Englischsprachige kommen auch ohne Deutsch gut zurecht"
"Wir haben viel mit den Schweizern gemein" (Interview)

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Old 28.07.2008, 12:41
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With a bit also on the Baz website englishcorner:

«Expats» are well integrated economically only
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Re: Big "Expats" article in Basler Zeitung today

given the mention of the Tri-Nation Corner, should perhaps the article also consider French as an option? It does bang on about German but completely avoids French as an option. Which, given the French being but a stone's throw away, should be
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With a bit also on the Baz website englishcorner:

«Expats» are well integrated economically only
There seems to be some positive thoughts on how to encourage integration there. I'm not sure why you would offer foreigners the right to vote though, especially when they don't speak the local language. How could you make an informed decision on who to vote for without understanding any policies?
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Re: Big "Expats" article in Basler Zeitung today

I thought this is being done already, there are places where you can vote on a communal level only though - If I remember correctly, Mark wrote about this once. It's been a while, but I thought he had a pretty strong feeling that one should be able to vote as a foreigner. Never saw a thread that really covered this though, would have been interesting!

EDIT: Just found the link, but not sure it is really of any help: Foreigners voting in canton Zurich

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There seems to be some positive thoughts on how to encourage integration there. I'm not sure why you would offer foreigners the right to vote though, especially when they don't speak the local language. How could you make an informed decision on who to vote for without understanding any policies?

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How could you make an informed decision on who to vote for without understanding any policies?
Good point. I have enough trouble figuring out the UK's politics & elections. Put it in a foreign language, where you may not fully understand the country's history & societal dynamics and it's got to get confusing.

I get the idea of it making expats feel 'included' and remember from history lessons the 'no taxation without representation' idea but why should a bunch of foreigners get a say in Swiss government?

Incidentally, how come the non-local community (e.g Eastern Europeans) in the UK are called 'immigrants' but, in Switzerland, the incomers are 'ex-pats'? Maybe there's a self-perception issue in the semantics - like an 'ex-pat' keeps hold of the country of origin in head and heart, while an 'immigrant' doesn't. Like I said, politics confuses me.
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Very good article - unfortunately, they're very right.

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Incidentally, how come the non-local community (e.g Eastern Europeans) in the UK are called 'immigrants' but, in Switzerland, the incomers are 'ex-pats'? Maybe there's a self-perception issue in the semantics - like an 'ex-pat' keeps hold of the country of origin in head and heart, while an 'immigrant' doesn't. Like I said, politics confuses me.
A tricky issue, one that has come up before

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I thought this is being done already, there are places where you can vote on a communal level only though - If I remember correctly, Mark wrote about this once. It's been a while, but I thought he had a pretty strong feeling that one should be able to vote as a foreigner. Never saw a thread that really covered this though, would have been interesting!

EDIT: Just found the link, but not sure it is really of any help: Foreigners voting in canton Zurich
The proposal that foreigners (under the conditions outlined in Mark's summary) have the right to vote on a Gemeinde level makes sense to me, since the matters decided by such vote would be highly relevant. A country is culmination of it's history and culture though, to allow foreigners to vote at a national level could have a really negative impact.
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The proposal that foreigners (under the conditions outlined in Mark's summary) have the right to vote on a Gemeinde level makes sense to me, since the matters decided by such vote would be highly relevant. A country is culmination of it's history and culture though, to allow foreigners to vote at a national level could have a really negative impact.
Judging by the percentages of the Swiss population who actually make use of their right to vote, a voting ex-pat community might even be able to enforce the introduction of First Class seating on trams - now that would please nickatbasel. See here

Seriously, I think voting at a local level for 'integrated ex-pats' is a good idea; in places where this is already the case, are all adult inhabitants are allowed to vote or are there special requirements to be fulfilled? I'm not sure what the ruling is. At a national level it is a different matter altogether. Not only do most foreigners not have understanding and knowledge of the system here, but on a more practical level, they don't have to 'suffer the effects' of their decisions either. There are already enough problems with Referendums and the Heiliger St. Florian principle. (Let's vote to build the motorway, atomic power station, dump for chemical wasteproducts etc. in YOUR area and not in mine).
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Old 28.07.2008, 15:56
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How could you make an informed decision on who to vote for without understanding any policies?
On that basis, anyone with voting rights in a democratic country (UK, US, ... etc) should have them withdrawn immediately.

How many voters actually understand things like economics, foreign affairs, etc etc sufficiently to make an informed choice?

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On that basis, anyone with voting rights in a democratic country (UK, US, ... etc) should have them withdrawn immediately.

How many voters actually understand things like economics, foreign affairs, etc etc sufficiently to make an informed choice?

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Very few, but as nationals they have the right to a vote even if they don't know what the hell they are voting for, since they have to live with the outcome.
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Re: Big "Expats" article in Basler Zeitung today

Hmm, how well are the French and German speaking Swiss communities integrated with each other in the 'border' area of the Roestigraben?
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Re: Big "Expats" article in Basler Zeitung today

Does anyone have the link from the original BAZ article in german? I couldn't find it on the website - only an English article that I assume in just a shorter summary. Or did they translate the whole article?
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