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Camera pointing to common area

Just realized that our neighbor has a camera with a sensor pointing away from his house towards the main entrance of ours (accessible via a common road). So, the sensor is getting activated whenever anybody enters or exits our property. Not sure what the angle of the camera is but definitely looks like it can film anybody in the area and the sensor clearly sends out a beep sound and a red light when we pass, including to get our post.
Given that this is illegal, should we contact our legal insurance or call the police to come and check? Any pointers?

We've had some issues in the past with this neighbor so not in talking terms really.
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Best to just walk into your local police office.
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Re: Camera pointing to common area

The sensor is largely irrelevant WRT privacy, though there may be different issues.

You can neither film/surveil public property nor any other property that isn't yours. If you film yours you need to give advance notice, for instance by signposts at the border of your property so that every potential visitor knows what happens if they proceed and can avoid being filmed.

So get some supporting evidence and, as Edwin said, pay a visit to your local police station.
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Re: Camera pointing to common area

Thanks for the replies. If the police comes and finds out that it is a sensor with a dummy camera for example - are we likely to get charged for admin fee or something (this being switzerland) ? i.e Are we supposed to investigate and prove that they would be filming us - what is written above is all the evidence we have.
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Re: Camera pointing to common area

You can always talk to the police for free. The best is to ask their advice.

The police tend to be very slow to get involved when they deem it to be just neighbours complaining about each other, with a lot of accusations and counter-accusations. So if I were you I wouldn't start with that history.

However, ask the police what the rules are about a camera, and how you would know whether it is a real one or a dummy one. Explain that it makes you nervous, and that it doesn't seem right that you might be under permanent surveillance when entering your own home, and that someone might be collecting videos of you and your friends and family.

Ask for their suggestions of how best to go about things.

I recommend not to go alone. Most expecially, if you do not speak French fluently, take someone along with you who does.

Take a note of the officers' names and the date and time you went to the police station.

Don't expect it to be solved right away. Persist. Follow whatever advice the police give you. Then return to them later, to give them copies of the documents that show you have done what they suggested, and let them know whether or not you were able to solve the problem by following their advice. If not, ask them to give you further suggestions of what to do, such as contacting the landlord. This repetition, wherein you show yourself to be respectful, reasonable and above all interested in a peaceful solution (not in making war) is what, if anything, is likely to get the situation changed for the better.
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Thanks for the replies. If the police comes and finds out that it is a sensor with a dummy camera for example - are we likely to get charged for admin fee or something (this being switzerland) ? i.e Are we supposed to investigate and prove that they would be filming us - what is written above is all the evidence we have.
Sorry to hear that you are in such a situation.

The police should not charge you as there is no "special admin" that is required for the investigation. Do let others shed more light on this.

I know a friend of mine from Canton "AG" who called the cops because of a car that was blocking his driveway and two police cars (I was quite surprised) came to deal with the situation. They found the driver. My friend never got charged and I am not sure if the car driver got charged for the whole admin issue / call out.
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Just realized that our neighbor has a camera with a sensor pointing away from his house towards the main entrance of ours (accessible via a common road). So, the sensor is getting activated whenever anybody enters or exits our property.
I don't know if this helps in any way, but I'll share MY experience with my indoor security cameras.

I installed a few inside my house, to monitor my 10-year old leaving for and coming back home from school (while my wife and I are already at work). Plus for whatever security concerns we may have.

The application that comes with the camera allows you to select a zone of the camera's capture area, and ignore everything outside that zone. Meaning: if there's movement outside the selected zone, the camera doesn't record.

It's unlikely that your neighbour, whatever your relationship with them, would be interested in recording your comings and goings (at least it seems to me) , and he might have set up the zone already (at the very least to prevent his app/phone from constantly sending him notifications that are not relevant to his property).

See in the attached file below: this is what my camera settings show (I excluded movement that can be seen through the glass in the door, to prevent the camera from triggering every single time a car drives by). I wouldn't be surprised if you neighbour did the same. If he's a wacko I wouldn't be surprised he didn't.
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Old 25.09.2019, 09:57
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Re: Camera pointing to common area

See Video Surveillance by Private Individuals from the Conf website
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Old 25.09.2019, 10:05
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I don't know if this helps in any way, but I'll share MY experience with my indoor security cameras.

I installed a few inside my house, to monitor my 10-year old leaving for and coming back home from school (while my wife and I are already at work). Plus for whatever security concerns we may have.

The application that comes with the camera allows you to select a zone of the camera's capture area, and ignore everything outside that zone. Meaning: if there's movement outside the selected zone, the camera doesn't record.

It's unlikely that your neighbour, whatever your relationship with them, would be interested in recording your comings and goings (at least it seems to me) , and he might have set up the zone already (at the very least to prevent his app/phone from constantly sending him notifications that are not relevant to his property).

See in the attached file below: this is what my camera settings show (I excluded movement that can be seen through the glass in the door, to prevent the camera from triggering every single time a car drives by). I wouldn't be surprised if you neighbour did the same. If he's a wacko I wouldn't be surprised he didn't.
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Re: Camera pointing to common area

are you an ex CS banker?
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Just realized that our neighbor has a camera with a sensor pointing away from his house towards the main entrance of ours (accessible via a common road). So, the sensor is getting activated whenever anybody enters or exits our property. Not sure what the angle of the camera is but definitely looks like it can film anybody in the area and the sensor clearly sends out a beep sound and a red light when we pass, including to get our post.
Given that this is illegal, should we contact our legal insurance or call the police to come and check? Any pointers?

We've had some issues in the past with this neighbor so not in talking terms really.
So talk to your neighbour. Or take a hammer to it. But it could be that he's wanting to guard you and your house? Such a thoughtful neighbour!
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Re: Camera pointing to common area

it could be a ring camera. THey face outwards Most likely you are paranoid

https://de-de.ring.com/
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the sensor clearly sends out a beep sound and a red light when we pass
Sounds like a dummy camera.

My advice:
- ask your neighbour;
- if its a real camera consider whether you want it to cover your entrance, if yes, all is fine (you get the benefit of the surveillance camera without the data protection hassle);
- if you do not want the camera to cover your entrance, ask him to angle it down or away accordingly.

Or my preferred (technical) solution:
- join powers and have a comprehensive surveillance solution (you video his door, he videos your door) and you share the files... why should the government have all the fun ;-)
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Old 26.09.2019, 14:29
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Sounds like a dummy camera.

My advice:
- ask your neighbour;
- if its a real camera consider whether you want it to cover your entrance, if yes, all is fine (you get the benefit of the surveillance camera without the data protection hassle);
- if you do not want the camera to cover your entrance, ask him to angle it down or away accordingly.

Or my preferred (technical) solution:
- join powers and have a comprehensive surveillance solution (you video his door, he videos your door) and you share the files... why should the government have all the fun ;-)
And now I begin to wonder whether it is even legal here to video surveille one's entrance - without a clear sign about it at least.

It's not illegal/unusual to step up to a door to check the name on the bell when looking for someone you've not visited before. Doesn't mean you want to be filmed.
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Old 26.09.2019, 14:32
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And now I begin to wonder whether it is even legal here to video surveille one's entrance - without a clear sign about it at least.

It's not illegal/unusual to step up to a door to check the name on the bell when looking for someone you've not visited before. Doesn't mean you want to be filmed.
Almost everyone I know here has a video doorbell which shows who is at the door.

Hardly illegal if sold everywhere.
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Old 26.09.2019, 14:45
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Almost everyone I know here has a video doorbell which shows who is at the door.

Hardly illegal if sold everywhere.
A camera with (remote) display is not the same as filming/recording.
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A camera with (remote) display is not the same as filming/recording.
Sorry you are wrong (see my above post):

The persons in charge of the video surveillance must inform everyone within range of the cameras of their activities by providing a clearly visible notice about the CCTV system. If the images recorded are part of a data collection (i.e. if they are stored in some form), notice must also be given of who should be contacted for more information if this is not obvious from the circumstances (principle of good faith and the right to information).

In addition, it must be decided whether the purpose of video surveillance means live monitoring is required or whether it is sufficient for the stored data to be viewed in the event of an incident. If viewing after an incident is sufficient, the images should not be viewed unless an incident occurs.
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Re: Camera pointing to common area

Go out at midnight on a rainy night. Cover your face. And smash it with a hammer. So simple!
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Go out at midnight on a rainy night. Cover your face. And smash it with a hammer. So simple!
Why would you want to smash your face with a hammer?
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whether the purpose of video surveillance means live monitoring is required or whether it is sufficient for the stored data to be viewed in the event of an incident
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