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Don't do it. If you ever want to see what happens when Swiss passive-aggressiveness turns to Swiss aggressiveness then that's one way of doing it.

There are so many things worth fighting for in this world but to make smoking in someone else's face the most important...seriously?

Cigarettes...worth dying for.
Oh, goodness no, it's definitely not very important. It just crosses my mind when some smokers are incredibly rude, it doesn't matter if one is pregnant, or has kids etc.I already said I won't, I don't need futile conflicts. If they were open to the idea, probably I wouldn't have to tell anyone anything, if you know what I mean. Not my job to educate.
Btw, did you try doing that? I know your aversion for smoking so you probably have more experience with that.

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Really? It's illegal? WHY?? I guess that's why he said he would call the police, I was so confused as he was the one who almost ran me over, then got off his bike and charged/cursed at me.

Nope, not new - 10 years and still annoyed
Susie, Tom1234 was pulling your leg a bit, he's not a smoker.....on the contrary.

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That is why you must always carry one raw pepper and an onion with you. Stand next to smoker, chew and blow your breath in their direction and if that is not enough, release the biggest fart in history, while telling them: "sorry, is my smell bothering you? Well, I fart in your general direction, your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!"
Oh man, lol, I can't even visualise this episode...
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I do not consider cigarette smoking a cultural thing; more like an begrudgingly accepted bad habit. Now if you were to smoke brissagos, that'd be a different kettle of fish altogether.
I think smoking habit runs across all cultures. But walking away from people when you are lighting up doesn't. People will go to great lengths here arguing how the open air areas are everybody's. Even 5cm away from you.

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Do you know anyone else who smokes Brissagos besides the Swiss?

Cigarettes were very much part of the Western world's culture in the past and still is today, despite current knowledge of its health effects. I would never equate cigarettes with one specific culture.
The reaction (or lack thereof) that you will get when lighting a cigaret in California and here will be completely different. Or at playgrounds. Both places are Western, aren't they.

Attitudes differ.
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It's cultural. Get used to it!
Nothing to do with culture. It has all to do with not giving a F==k about the environment!

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Switzerland( and really no place on Earth) is perfect. That said compared to about 99% of the world's population people here have it pretty good here.

For me, coming from Brooklyn; the big advantage here is the size of the country in general, and the emphasis on local decision making specifically.

A true democracy allows people of a certain area power over what really affects their lives. And here in Switzerland we vote on an incredible amount of very local issues aside from the issues that affect the general population.

One of my favourites( at least in Kanton Zug,where I live) is that before you build house or renovate one to make it appreciably different, you have to show the boundaries of the new building with a scaffolding.. Allowing your neighbours to have a say in what they will be looking at.

Of course as a foreigner it's easy to complain about the ridiculously high prices for rent and other things, but I don't hear many foreigners complaining about the salaries they get.

So as you probably can tell, I am mostly very satisfied with living here..
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Some day I wish I could (wo)man up and tell the idiot who is smoking next to me to take his/her cigarette somewhere else.....
But I know I won't. I'll be the one who will move as far away as I can (maybe even apologising for the inconvenience they might endure having to move 15 cm away, who knows).
Nobody is perfect.
Yes. Takes alot of balls to say that to a smoker!
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Good to know! This would drive my husband crazy. Smoking is really frowned upon here, so anyone who still smokes kind of does so in secret. Plus they fine people who smoke too close to buildings, so that’s obviously another deterrent.


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The thing that bothers me about the smokers in Switzerland is, that they are the most impolite smokers out of the smoking population. They somehow think their rights are infringed upon by not being able to smoke wherever they like or being kindly asked to blow the smoke politely away from other people's faces. It's not simply just an annoyance for the non-smoking population, there are people with serious health issues.

Anyway...I guess we are going off-topic, but if you were to ask me what I don't like about Switzerland, the number one thing would not be that there are so many smokers, but their general attitude about it.
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I love this!

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My stomach churned on Monday night when I discovered I had lost my wallet with everything in it (driving licence, C permit, bank cards...). I went to work at 6.00 a.m. looking for it, having all my paperwork ready to cancel all my cards etc. but there it was. Whoever found it left it somewhere safe for me, not one franc was missing and I still haven't found out who returned it so I can't even thank them.


Not many places in the world would show such honesty.
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Direct democracy is a huge draw. Even though I wouldn’t be able to participate in voting, just knowing the country is run that way makes me happy

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Switzerland( and really no place on Earth) is perfect. That said compared to about 99% of the world's population people here have it pretty good here.

For me, coming from Brooklyn; the big advantage here is the size of the country in general, and the emphasis on local decision making specifically.

A true democracy allows people of a certain area power over what really affects their lives. And here in Switzerland we vote on an incredible amount of very local issues aside from the issues that affect the general population.

One of my favourites( at least in Kanton Zug,where I live) is that before you build house or renovate one to make it appreciably different, you have to show the boundaries of the new building with a scaffolding.. Allowing your neighbours to have a say in what they will be looking at.

Of course as a foreigner it's easy to complain about the ridiculously high prices for rent and other things, but I don't hear many foreigners complaining about the salaries they get.

So as you probably can tell, I am mostly very satisfied with living here..
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The worst part of living here, that no one speaks about, is the organ donation lottery, every week they hold a draw, and all residents are entered, if your name is drawn you have to become a live donor, not so bad is its just a lung that day but you're SOL if your heart is needed

With all the news from China I had to do a double-take; my first thought was "ohhh, maybe in Jura."
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Organ donation? I was ready to give up my guitar, but never my Organ!!!
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Pay toilets- especially the ones that dont take cards-which is all of them!
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Still better then non .Also cleaner then every where ells
I still haven't made up my mind about the pay toilets. Having lived in U.S. cities with public transit, not every station has a toilet, but if they do it is free, somewhat hidden, and almost invariably a ***-hole (worse than a gas station toilet) except at the major commuter rail terminals.

So a small fee for a clean public toilet at every major public area would seem like a fair idea. But 1 Fr to pee is a lot, especially balanced against the social cost of people peeing in the street or on the tracks, or just in how anxious someone gets when they have to hold it in.

In the U.S. our public toilet problem is basically subsidized by Starbucks, which is not a sustainable solution for urbanization. Maybe one day every city will have to have street urinals like Paris.
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"The change in Basel in the last few years has been dramatic. All you have to do is sit in traffic and look at the numerous construction cranes to see it. Most importantly, the Kaserne/Claraplatz area has turned into an open crime zone despite the police department being stationed nearby"


I totally agree with this post. We lived on Untere Rebgasse between Kaserne and Claraplatz for 2 years, close to the corner of the red light area at Webergasse. The first year was fine and we never bothered about the prostitutes as it was well contained and the police drove through about every hour. First sign of it getting worse was when the stupid signs with female stick figures standing against lamposts were added to the pavements with the broken line donating the edge of the red light zone. Then it suddenly changed again and a mass influx of girls turned up (police said from Hungary) with aggressive looking pimps (some of the girls only looked about 18 and it was pretty obvious they were being controlled by a couple of women of about 30). A local night club at Clara also closed with reports of the owner being in prison in Spain, next thing we had anything up to 16 drug dealers arguing and fighting opposite our apartment building from 10pm until 6 am every morning and we couldn't sleep. We had a couple of stabbings between the dealers as well.

Neighbours we had on the other side of our building said they couldn't sleep because young prostitutes were taking punters into the park they overlooked and they were witnessing all sorts during the night. My neighbour was the caretaker, she was so fed up that filmed at 5.30 am and sent it to Basler Zeitung and 20 Minutes, that was about 2 weeks after we moved out. The property company said they had been at the police umpteen times as so many people had moved out of the building.

Didn't realise until we moved how much sleep we had missed tbh, we were shattered. I just couldn't get over the fact there is a huge police station in the vicinity, we were all given a special number to ring which wasn't the police - you rang it and an operator just told you if the chaos was till going on at 6 am to get back to them
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It’s completely shocking...to me, it seems like the Basel police force is in on the corruption. They have to be! I also had a close friend who lived where you did and we regularly enjoyed long evenings there without concern, they had to move. We lived on the Rhine in grossbasel, and the police would show up with dogs and everything for minor local teen parties, meanwhile the Kaserne/Claraplatz is a total crime zone.
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Old 09.10.2019, 09:46
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So a small fee for a clean public toilet at every major public area would seem like a fair idea. But 1 Fr to pee is a lot, especially balanced against the social cost of people peeing in the street or on the tracks, or just in how anxious someone gets when they have to hold it in.
Actually I think the 1CHF charge is a bargain.

What do you pay for a beer, anything from 5 to 10 CHF depending on the place and your choice of brand. So that's a surcharge of anything between 10 and 20 percent.

In Germany many toilets cost 50 cents, and the beer is about 3 EUR, so that's 16 percent.

In Budapest last week (well, a deep suburb that's well off the tourist track) I had a beer for 280 HUF and the toilet cost 200 HUF.

Thast's about 50 Rappen, but relatively speaking it's a rip off.
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Old 09.10.2019, 10:35
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Actually I think the 1CHF charge is a bargain.
In France (Provence) the other week I was pleasantly surprised to find clean and free toilets all over.

Where I really object here is the motorway service areas where you really have no alternative and given that these service areas are huge money spinners they really can and should afford it as a price of being allowed to operate the service area.
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"The change in Basel in the last few years has been dramatic. All you have to do is sit in traffic and look at the numerous construction cranes to see it. Most importantly, the Kaserne/Claraplatz area has turned into an open crime zone despite the police department being stationed nearby"


I totally agree with this post. We lived on Untere Rebgasse between Kaserne and Claraplatz for 2 years, close to the corner of the red light area at Webergasse. The first year was fine and we never bothered about the prostitutes as it was well contained and the police drove through about every hour. First sign of it getting worse was when the stupid signs with female stick figures standing against lamposts were added to the pavements with the broken line donating the edge of the red light zone. Then it suddenly changed again and a mass influx of girls turned up (police said from Hungary) with aggressive looking pimps (some of the girls only looked about 18 and it was pretty obvious they were being controlled by a couple of women of about 30). A local night club at Clara also closed with reports of the owner being in prison in Spain, next thing we had anything up to 16 drug dealers arguing and fighting opposite our apartment building from 10pm until 6 am every morning and we couldn't sleep. We had a couple of stabbings between the dealers as well.

Neighbours we had on the other side of our building said they couldn't sleep because young prostitutes were taking punters into the park they overlooked and they were witnessing all sorts during the night. My neighbour was the caretaker, she was so fed up that filmed at 5.30 am and sent it to Basler Zeitung and 20 Minutes, that was about 2 weeks after we moved out. The property company said they had been at the police umpteen times as so many people had moved out of the building.

Didn't realise until we moved how much sleep we had missed tbh, we were shattered. I just couldn't get over the fact there is a huge police station in the vicinity, we were all given a special number to ring which wasn't the police - you rang it and an operator just told you if the chaos was till going on at 6 am to get back to them
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It’s completely shocking...to me, it seems like the Basel police force is in on the corruption. They have to be! I also had a close friend who lived where you did and we regularly enjoyed long evenings there without concern, they had to move. We lived on the Rhine in grossbasel, and the police would show up with dogs and everything for minor local teen parties, meanwhile the Kaserne/Claraplatz is a total crime zone.
You know why the situation got so much worse a little over two years ago? That happens to be the exact moment where prostitution was banned in France... its not Basel, it is the exact same story all along both the French-German and French-Spanish borders...
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You know why the situation got so much worse a little over two years ago? That happens to be the exact moment where prostitution was banned in France... its not Basel, it is the exact same story all along both the French-German and French-Spanish borders...
Yea, but the problem isn't just the prostitution, but the open drug trade. There are all sorts of problems right now in the news. A stabbing / big fight happened in broad daylight in the park on the Rhine.

Even if the problem is due to the French ban on prostitution, if the crime is happening on Swiss soil, why don't the police do anything about it? Do they expect the French police to come in and take care of it?
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Yea, but the problem isn't just the prostitution, but the open drug trade. There are all sorts of problems right now in the news. A stabbing / big fight happened in broad daylight in the park on the Rhine.

Even if the problem is due to the French ban on prostitution, if the crime is happening on Swiss soil, why don't the police do anything about it? Do they expect the French police to come in and take care of it?
Typically, pimps don't like drug dealers, or any other illegal activity, as it's best for them if the police don't come their way for whatever reason. In Zürich's Langstrasse area you can hear (possibly apocryphal) stories from 20 years ago or so of pimps helping old ladies lug the shopping up the stairs, chasing off petty burglars and generally making sure everything is squeaky clean, and making sure that all neighbours understand that if there is a problem of any sort, to call the pimp before calling the police.

Not surprisingly, since the police starting getting tougher on them and has taken out certain individuals, other forms of crime have skyrocketed.
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The level of unfreindliness (of the system, not the people of course) toward working couples. It seems that everything has been set up in such a way to make the lives of both-working couples difficult, and especially make them think twice and trice before deciding to have children.

P.S. I'm pretty sure a lot of EFers are going to mention that this is indeed a good thing. I respect that opinion.
Can you elaborate more on this, what are the main obstacles for working couples and how do people get around it if both want to pursue a career and have children.
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Can you elaborate more on this, what are the main obstacles for working couples and how do people get around it if both want to pursue a career and have children.
1. The tax systems the world over give you a financial advantage when you get married. In Switzerland do you get a financial penalty. It makes less sense for both partners to work as the tax rate is a lot higher than for unmarried folks.

2. The cost of childcare. I know couples where most of the womans salary went to childcare for her two pre-school kids. Most countries make an effort to provide affordable childcare, Switzerland seems to on purpose do the opposite… so women decide to stay at home.

Before we are getting all too feminist about this: That traditional role model is these days not really enforced by some ruling men… there is an open and direct democracy… so we can prove that it is mostly Swiss women who vote for the system to favour housewives over working women.
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