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The dirt on Switzerland

To me, an American, Switzerland seems like the perfect country, but every country has its problems... so what would you say are Switzerland’s main problems? Or is it really as good as it seems to outsiders?
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

There are already so many threads where an outsider comes to EF wearing rose-colored glasses.

Switzerland is not perfect. But we all define 'perfect' differently, just as we all define imperfect differently. So much of how one sees Switzerland depends on one's expectations, on one's background, and then on one's specific experiences here. And on why or how one ended up here in the first place.

For some, Switzerland is utopia, for others it is hell on earth. For many it's somewhere in-between.

Why not browse one of the many other threads on this topic, then see what you have to add?
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Old 29.09.2019, 10:09
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what would you say are Switzerland’s main problems?
Too many whiny foreigners who don't speak the language.

Having to vote 4 times a year.

Having to pay for trash.

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Old 29.09.2019, 10:16
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Too popular and populated for my taste.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/populat...tries/43156402
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Having to pay for trash.
I think that's one of the good points.
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

- Too many people crossing the border to burglar our houses.
- The false myth of being such a crime-free country.
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Old 29.09.2019, 10:36
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

It’s not dirt. It’s manure.
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Old 29.09.2019, 10:49
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

When I moved here from London boroughs around 30 years ago, I thought it was Utopia. And it was.

Zurich was a chocolate box town that thought it was a city. But tbh today, Zurich has just grown into an over-populated local high street that has retained none of it’s original charm, except that there’s still a lake.

It lacks any “vibe” that you might associate with other cities, and just exists. Sad but true in my eyes.
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- Too many people crossing the border to burglar our houses.
- The false myth of being such a crime-free country.
Only the more silly and unrealistic people among us think Switzerland is 'crime-free', but the levels of violent crime, especially on the streets at night, are WAY below many other EU countries. By average standards worldwide it is still a ridiculously safe place to be.
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Only the more silly and unrealistic people among us think Switzerland is 'crime-free', but the levels of violent crime, especially on the streets at night, are WAY below many other EU countries. By average standards worldwide it is still a ridiculously safe place to be.
Some crimes are less, other crimes are more occurring than in the us neighbouring countries. Burglary is one of those often occurring crimes and a reason why many Swiss don't like to live on the groundfloor.
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

The change in Basel in the last few years has been dramatic. All you have to do is sit in traffic and look at the numerous construction cranes to see it. Most importantly, the Kaserne/Claraplatz area has turned into an open crime zone despite the police department being stationed nearby.
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To me, an American, Switzerland seems like the perfect country, but every country has its problems... so what would you say are Switzerland’s main problems? Or is it really as good as it seems to outsiders?
Switzerland is not perfect but compared to other places is doing much, much better. It's a safe (well, as said before - no place is perfectly anything, normal precautions should be followed like everywhere else, really...), decent and beautiful country. Boy, it's so beautiful that sometimes you don't even realise anymore, it became just....normal.

How much you'll like it here it will depend on your capacity to adapt and make the best out of it. And try not to replicate your little St. Francisco suburbia style here. Or the education system, or whatever else you find extremely advanced and everybody else should adopt or copy. (not saying you'll do that, but have noticed that this might be a cause for unhappiness in some expats)
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

It needs to be said that the OP is in Ticino, where things work a bit differently. Just ask Tom.
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Switzerland is not perfect but compared to other places is doing much, much better. It's a safe (well, as said before - no place is perfectly anything, normal precautions should be followed like everywhere else, really...), decent and beautiful country. Boy, it's so beautiful that sometimes you don't even realise anymore, it became just....normal.

How much you'll like it here it will depend on your capacity to adapt and make the best out of it. And try not to replicate your little St. Francisco suburbia style here. Or the education system, or whatever else you find extremely advanced and everybody else should adopt or copy. (not saying you'll do that, but have noticed that this might be a cause for unhappiness in some expats)
Yes agree completely. It’s a wonderful place to live and feel safe in, especially with a family. If given a choice, I wouldn’t choose anywhere else on this Planet.

Fact is OP, you were looking for dirt, and the decision to make a life here is now up to you!
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

OP, to find the negatives that have bothered others so far, have a look at
https://www.englishforum.ch/complaints-corner/

To search for any specific thing that you know would feel negative for you, you could try searching as set out here:
https://www.englishforum.ch/3104958-post3.html
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Yes agree completely. It’s a wonderful place to live and feel safe in, especially with a family. If given a choice, I wouldn’t choose anywhere else on this Planet.

Fact is OP, you were looking for dirt, and the decision to make a life here is now up to you!
Yes! I mean, 4 y.o. kids walk alone to kindergarten....maybe not everywhere especially in a large city, but I would say it's still something typical for CH. It used to be in other places too, not anymore....not really. I personally like they still do certain things in an old-fashioned way.
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Yes! I mean, 4 y.o. kids walk alone to kindergarten....maybe not everywhere especially in a large city, but I would say it's still something typical for CH. It used to be in other places too, not anymore....not really. I personally like they still do certain things in an old-fashioned way.
But they are not really walking alone - they are on recommend routes, where there are other adults walking younger children to school. And in our case even the police are regularly observing what is going on, they usually park on my drive way to be out of the kids sight.
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Re: The dirt on Switzerland

Yes, my little California suburban style is pretty fabulous but I have no intention to move to Switzerland and push my way on others. I respect the Swiss way of life and think my family would adapt well.

I’ve lived in “crime-free” parts of the world, such as Tokyo, and was told by locals that crimes generally aren’t discussed, since they want to keep real estate prices high, and I suspect it’s that way in many nice parts of the world, so I have no delusion that Switzerland is completely crime-free.

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Switzerland is not perfect but compared to other places is doing much, much better. It's a safe (well, as said before - no place is perfectly anything, normal precautions should be followed like everywhere else, really...), decent and beautiful country. Boy, it's so beautiful that sometimes you don't even realise anymore, it became just....normal.

How much you'll like it here it will depend on your capacity to adapt and make the best out of it. And try not to replicate your little St. Francisco suburbia style here. Or the education system, or whatever else you find extremely advanced and everybody else should adopt or copy. (not saying you'll do that, but have noticed that this might be a cause for unhappiness in some expats)
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To me, an American, Switzerland seems like the perfect country, but every country has its problems... so what would you say are Switzerland’s main problems? Or is it really as good as it seems to outsiders?
The continual influx of communist EU sympathizers has become tiresome and shows no signs of abating.
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The continual influx of communist EU sympathizers has become tiresome and shows no signs of abating.
You are from the EU?
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