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Old 08.10.2019, 06:27
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Re: Switzerland (Zurich) Vs Living in Canada (Toronto)

Most of the other posters have already talk about costs/technical aspects, so ask yourself what do you value? If you assume you both will get a job, what kind of life do you want? Do you really want to move to a place where you can find job but hate every aspect of the city you are in?

I am just back in Toronto for a visit and the speed at which the city changes here is many fold faster than what is possible in Zurich/Switzerland. The evolution in the types of restaurants, the diversity of people, the changes in the city. If that's what excites you then Toronto is a good choice.

If you want a slower pace of life, easy access to nature, not utterly massive urban environments, and being close to exploring the rest of Europe, Zurich is amazing for that.

Im actually meeting my SA friend that immigrated here, if you have any specific questions, PM me!
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Re: Switzerland (Zurich) Vs Living in Canada (Toronto)

I'm a half Canadian and lived in Geneva and Zurich for close to 7 years before we moved to Canada and after 3.5 years we moved to NY. We had amazing life in Zurich and once we moved back we were so disappointed in so many things like lack of quality in food, long distances etc. We moved back to Toronto and then purchased a house in the burbs. We were only able to buy the house bc we saved a lot for the downpayment while living in CH.
The cost of life in the GTA is really high these days. We were lucky still to buy it at a good price but good luck finding a decent home now in good areas with under 1 hr commute for less than $1 mln. Also, there's new mortgage rules 'stress test' which require a lot. Not sure if that's your goal, but just saying. Also, there's been new education reforms increasing class sizes etc.Healthcare in Canada, while free, is not great. If you need more than regular services, wait time for anything like an MRI are months.
Weather is bad too, as it's cold most of the year and the summers are 2-3 months long and it's back to crappy weather.
Life got expensive there for sure.
It's also not easy to find well paid employment overall. Just saying. People are nicer though and open minded. But if you don't have friends and family it may be tough.
I'd choose Switzerland. We have regretted many times we left.
Now we have an opportunity to go back from NY to Zurich and are really tempted! Good luck with what you decide!
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Re: Switzerland (Zurich) Vs Living in Canada (Toronto)

My husband and I moved to Switzerland 8 years ago from Cape Town. We are both South Africans, but I also have a Swiss passport. He studied applied mathematics and does stats/data analytics and found a good job within 4 months being able to speak no german. 6 years later we went travelling for a year and when we got back, again he had several job offers after a few months of searching, still speaking no german (no judgement, please, he has many other talents). In the meantime you can definitely support yourself modestly with just a single income, especially if the unemployed partner is able to take care of household and childcare details. Actually we were really grateful to have him take care of all the admin/passport/settling in details for those few months while I worked.
I have no personal experience with banking, except to know he got no interviews or job offers from financial organisations - most likely due to the lack of german. But we know several other expats that do work in banking with probably B1 german. He will find a job, it's a question of time and how much german he needs to learn. Yes, definitely, start the german lessons in SA, they will be a lot cheaper there. Learn german, forget the swiss german for now - it's a lovely touch for integration but I wouldn't prioritise it.

Many of my university colleagues emigrated to Canada and we often ask ourselves the question you are asking now. We miss South Africa every day but after the first year or two never seriously considered moving back. We sometimes still speak of moving to Canada or Australia but also imagine the grass isn't alway greener. There are pros and cons everywhere. Canada's main advantage compared to Switzerland (in our view) is the english language and culture. The main disadvantage is the even colder and longer winters and shorter summers and its distant location to the rest of the world. Australia's main disadvantage is its even more distant location to the rest of the world.

Many other people have already mentioned many of the pros and cons - for me the major ones are those below.

Benefits of Switzerland:
- amazing location in the centre of Europe with strong currency that opens up the door to an unrivalled world of travel

Negatives of Switzerland
- culture shock from SA, Swiss culture takes a lot of time to adapt to. You will definitely experience this, especially with your child. At the beginning it will often be frustrating and unbelievable but with time you will adapt and come to appreciate the oddities. You need to approach it with an open mind and try and relax, there will be many frustrating moments but in the end things do always somehow work out. Being exposed to a very different culture can be challenging but also a great opportunity to grow as a person, couple and family (as corny as that sounds.) There are many things we have come to really appreciate and respect about the swiss people and culture, lack of materialism, lack of social status snobbery, everyone working and contributing to the system, quiet respect...things I would be glad my child grew up around.
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Re: Switzerland (Zurich) Vs Living in Canada (Toronto)

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Most of the other posters have already talk about costs/technical aspects, so ask yourself what do you value? If you assume you both will get a job, what kind of life do you want? Do you really want to move to a place where you can find job but hate every aspect of the city you are in?

I am just back in Toronto for a visit and the speed at which the city changes here is many fold faster than what is possible in Zurich/Switzerland. The evolution in the types of restaurants, the diversity of people, the changes in the city. If that's what excites you then Toronto is a good choice.

If you want a slower pace of life, easy access to nature, not utterly massive urban environments, and being close to exploring the rest of Europe, Zurich is amazing for that.

Im actually meeting my SA friend that immigrated here, if you have any specific questions, PM me!
Thank you - I would say we are more on the slow pace of life. Although the language disadvantage that comes with CH is a bit daunting / scary and its quite easy to see how we would easily better integrate into Canada as a result.
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