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All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

As a result of yet another engine failure LX has decided to ground all of their A220 flights until inspections can be done.

If you are flying Swiss in the next hours/days please check your flight status before you head for the airport.

Geneva will be the most impacted, although Zurich flights also use this aircraft type.
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

Now it's not just Boeing with airplanes on the ground! I wonder how they will try to spin this?
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

Actually it’s problems with the engines, not the airframe/software/etc.

Pratt & Whitney PurePower PW1500G. New technology engine having teething problems.

And Swiss is cautious, as they should be.
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

Introduced 2016, 90 build in total, Swiss has 29 and 3 of those had very serious engineproblems.
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

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Actually it’s problems with the engines, not the airframe/software/etc.

Pratt & Whitney PurePower PW1500G. New technology engine having teething problems.

And Swiss is cautious, as they should be.
The engine has been running for some years, are we still speaking of teething problems?
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

It is a little early to be jumping to conclusions. These aircraft can fly easily on a single engine. But you certainly don’t want two to go tits-up at the same time. Hence LX’s caution.

Note this is a LX decision regarding their fleet. It does not necessarily involve aircraft operated by others, or other aircraft types with the same engines - for example the A320neo.
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

Update on www.swiss.com

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Restrictions on flight operations of SWISS route network
Latest update 15 October 2019, 17:30 CEST

Situation
The ongoing technical inspections of several aircraft will restrict our flight operations. As a result many flights will be cancelled.

Current timetable
Please check our latest flight information in our online timetable. All canceled flights will be marked as “cancelled”.

If your flight is cancelled, refer to the information given under rebooking or refund and do not proceed to the airport.

Online timetable

Rebooking
If you have booked any of the affected flights through swiss.com or a Service Centre. You can rebook your flight once at no extra charge. To do so, please call our Service Centre.

In the event of a cancellation, SWISS will rebook you free of charge and usually automatically to another flight and inform you via your mobile phone number. If you do not receive a message from SWISS, please check the current status of your booking. Here you can also adjust the rebooking if required.

If you booked through an (online) travel agency, please contact the travel agency.

For a quick rebooking without queuing you can use our Facebook Messenger Chatbot Service –– external link free of charge.

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If you have booked any of the affected flights through swiss.com or a Service Center and you wish to cancel your flight ticket, you can do so and receive a refund. To do so, please complete the refund form.

Refund form

If you booked through an (online) travel agency, please contact the travel agency.
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Old 15.10.2019, 20:27
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

It is a nice plane. Although it took Bombardier ages to finally get it off the ground..... (they were working on it when I left a long long time ago).

Hope they can sort this out soon as it is a big disruption.
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

Meanwhile the GVA App insists on sending me a notification every 8 minutes with absolutely no new information.
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Old 15.10.2019, 20:49
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

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Meanwhile the GVA App insists on sending me a notification every 8 minutes with absolutely no new information.
Well, at least you get updates, Swiss is very good lately at forgetting tiny things like that......
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

From the intra-web thingie

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on 25 July, the left engine of a SWISS Airbus A220-300 (HB-JCM) suffered a mechanical failure. Pieces of the engine fell in an unpopulated area near the communes of Perrigny-sur-Armancon and Cry, France. The engine was shut down and the flight diverted to Paris, France
on 16 September, an identical event occurred on a plane of the same type, where the flight diverted to Geneva, Switzerland
Media reports indicate the grounding is due to another incident — LX359 diverted to Paris earlier today.
“The ongoing technical inspections of several aircraft will restrict our flight operations. As a result many flights will be cancelled,” the airline wrote in a statement.
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Old 15.10.2019, 21:59
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

Are there any other aircraft that use the same engines? Could we expect more groundings from other airlines?
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

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Are there any other aircraft that use the same engines? Could we expect more groundings from other airlines?
Airbus A320neo family
Embraer E-Jets E2
Irkut MC-21
Mitsubishi SpaceJet

(thanks to Wiki)
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

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Are there any other aircraft that use the same engines? Could we expect more groundings from other airlines?
Yes, some, but not all, Airbus A320neo (new engine option) aircraft also use this engine as well as the latest two versions of the JungleJet (Embraer).

But it really depends what Swiss finds from their inspections. It could be something unique to LX, or something more widespread.

I note that they are slowly reintroducing the A220 into their schedules starting tomorrow morning with their Dublin flight at 07h00. (Although earlier Frankfurt, Munich and Pristina flights are cancelled).

Hopefully this will end sooner, rather than later.
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

I have to say, as a regular weekly flyer with Swiss, I would rather put up with the annoyance of a cancellation or delay once in a while, than be one of the names on a crash memorial somewhere...


Good on Swiss for taking a sensible safety stance.


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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

As another weekly flyer I fully agree with you and Swiss.

Although they had more than enough cancellations lately without this.

2 of my Bombardier colleagues are on the one near the airport..... crash of the TXL ZRH flight onto runway 28 ��
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

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Swiss International Air Lines has returned to service the first of 29 Airbus A220s it grounded on Tuesday to conduct immediate inspections of their Pratt & Whitney PW1500G turbofans after the pilots of a London Heathrow-Geneva flight had to shut down one of the aircraft’s two engines in flight. In a written statement, the airline added that it expected a resumption of its schedule "in a largely regular manner" on Thursday. Tuesday's grounding forced the cancellation of some 100 flights and affected some 10,000 passengers.

The inflight shutdown of the PW1500G was the third Swiss has experienced within four months. An A220-100 operating a Geneva-London Heathrow flight on July 25 suffered an inflight shutdown as it approached its FL350 cruise altitude. The aircraft diverted to Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport. The airline’s second PW1500G inflight shutdown occurred on September 16 as the aircraft—also operating a Geneva-Heathrow flight—neared its cruise altitude, though in that incident the aircraft did not divert.

Both previous incidents involved the failure of the engine’s first rotating low-pressure compressor (LPC) stage. Following the two incidents the FAA issued an airworthiness directive (AD) on September 25 requiring repetitive inspections, beginning within 50 flight cycles, of the LPC Stage 1 rotors and inlet guide vanes in all in-service PW1500G and PW1900G engines with less than 300 flight cycles since new.

However, neither Swiss nor Pratt & Whitney has confirmed yet whether the latest A220 PW1500G inflight shutdown involved the failure of any of the engine’s LPC stages. Neither have they confirmed whether the engine in question had accumulated less than 300 flight cycles.

The aircraft involved in Tuesday’s incident, which again saw it diverting to Paris Charles de Gaulle following the shutdown, operated as flight LX359, according to Swiss. The incident occurred at 8:55 a.m. Central European Time (CET). Swiss told AIN that the A220 involved in today’s incident is an A220-300 registered HB-JCC. According to Airfleets.net, HB-JCC is a two-year-old aircraft that first flew on Aug. 2, 2017, and bears the manufacturer’s serial number 55012. Swiss operates 20 A220-300s and nine A220-100s.

A media statement issued by Swiss following today’s incident confirmed the airline had grounded its entire A220 fleet as of 3:10 p.m. CET to inspect their PW1500G engines. “Only following a faultless inspection will these aircraft be returned to regular flight duties,” said the statement. “This will put substantial restrictions on Swiss’s flight operations, as numerous flights will have to be canceled...Swiss takes these incidents very seriously, and is in close dialogue with the relevant authorities, with Airbus Canada and with the engines’ manufacturer (Pratt & Whitney).”

Pratt & Whitney issued its own statement following today’s Swiss A220 inflight shutdown. “Pratt & Whitney and our airframe OEMs, working in coordination with the regulatory authorities, has recommended additional inspections of the low-pressure compressor for PW1500G and PW1900G engines to keep the fleet operational,” the statement said. “This recommendation is related to the events involving recent PW1500G engines which are part of investigations being led by the U.S. National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB).”

P&W hasn’t yet confirmed if its statement today means that it is now recommending more frequent repetitive inspections of PW1500G and PW1900G LPC stages beyond those already mandated by the FAA’s September 25 AD. The engine OEM also hasn’t yet confirmed whether or not it now recommends that inspections begin immediately rather than within 50 flight cycles.

For its part, Airbus vowed to do whatever it can to minimize the disruption to Swiss’s operation. “Airbus is aware of the incident that happened earlier today, October 15, with a Swiss aircraft,” it said in a statement. “We sincerely regret this impediment for our customer and its passengers. Together with the engine manufacturer we are supporting our customer to minimize disruption to their operations. We will support the investigation in line with ICAO Annex 13 standards.”
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

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I wonder who Whitney is and who the Pratt will be !!


Congrats to Swiss for doing the right thing, the Bombardier is a wonderful short halal plane, light, airey, quiet and comfortable
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

„Halal plane?“ please tell me that was a typo.
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Re: All LX A220/Bombardier C Series flights cancelled

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The engine has been running for some years, are we still speaking of teething problems?
I guess long-term reliability is potentially a factor that isn't always fully able to be assessed in testing.
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