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16.10.2019, 21:55
| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Well obviously it is difficult for some people who are already down on their luck and unemployed and probably lacking in confidence that they come here often to ask advice/help with their RAV advisors. Not everyone can be as perfect (!) as you.
Also, you don't need to be here long to sign up to RAV. If you come from an EU country and have already worked there and worked 1 year here (not sure how along) you can apply to RAV. One year is not that long for many people to get a basic grasp of the language what with the move, adjusting to new country and new job etc.
Edit: it is so interesting that when you are cornered and your points are refuted, you go and pick up a side point in my comment and reply to that. Fascinating to observe. | | | | | Not half as fascinating as seeing you composing sob stories worthy of Dickens to explain why life is SOOOOO HAAAAAARD for poor wickle expats in Switzerland.
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16.10.2019, 22:00
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | This is really interesting. I experience such things a lot but my husband seems to have fewer problems. I have been thinking what the reason could be.
I came to the following two conclusions: - Some people are really nondescript, almost invisible. They are unlikely to stick out in a crowd. They avoid eye contact with others, listen to music with headphones. Someone looking for a person to be aggressive against is unlikely to pick them.
- It happens more to women. Women are unlikely to confront men but they will happily attack their own gender. Add to this the male half of the population and a woman is more likely to be the target of aggression while men are usually confronted by other men, hence are only likely to be targeted by one half of the population.
| | | | | I think being a female it's actually an advantage when dealing with the police (I might be wrong though). For minor traffic offences they seem a bit more indulgent, for other situations - thanks goodness I didn't have to deal with them.
As for the rest of all those "microaggressions" - yes, I tend to agree with you. It does happen more frequently to women.
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16.10.2019, 22:04
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: |  | | | Not half as fascinating as seeing you composing sob stories worthy of Dickens to explain why life is SOOOOO HAAAAAARD for poor wickle expats in Switzerland.
Entitled, much? You know you lost the empire, right?  | | | | | Wow, you are pathetic.
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16.10.2019, 22:05
| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Wow, you are pathetic. | | | | | I'm not the one whinging because German speakers have the audacity to speak German in a German-speaking region.
That mirror needs a good polish, duck.
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16.10.2019, 22:05
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I think being a female it's actually an advantage when dealing with the police (I might be wrong though). For minor traffic offences they seem a bit more indulgent, for other situations - thanks goodness I didn't have to deal with them.
| | | | | My experience confirms this but I do not have enough data to sample and prove | 
16.10.2019, 22:07
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: |  | | | I'm not the one whinging because German speakers have the audacity to speak German in a German-speaking region.
That mirror needs a good polish, duck. | | | | | No one is whinging. I speak very good German and never had a problem with RAV on my extremely short tenure there. I am just trying to have empathy. Some people do struggle with learning a new language.
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16.10.2019, 22:08
| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | No one is whinging. I speak very good German and never had a problem with RAV on my extremely short tenure there. I am just trying to have empathy. Some people do struggle with learning a new language. | | | | | Indeed. And some of those people work for the RAV.
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16.10.2019, 22:11
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: |  | | | Indeed. And some of those people work for the RAV. | | | | | They are not the ones who are unemployed in a foreign country though. The others need more empathy.
I am sure you know more about RAV advisors considering you were on it for a very long time after claiming you expected to find a job within a couple of months of being fired.
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16.10.2019, 22:19
| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | They are not the ones who are unemployed in a foreign country though. The others need more empathy.
I am sure you know more about RAV advisors considering you were on it for a very long time after claiming you expected to find a job within a couple of months of being fired. | | | | | We're not talking about me, duck. Do try to stay focused.
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16.10.2019, 23:01
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | What would be the expectations for languages for such services:
German
French
Italian
Romantisch
English?
Good luck with recruiting the people. | | | | |
Except for the Romantsch but let's be realistic - more people in Switzerland speak English than do Romantsch. | Quote: |  | | | Thinking of the people I knew at school who joined the police... um, yeah... | | | | | My cousin was going through the training to become a WPC. She is bright, funny, kind and has loads of common sense, I love her to bits. The local constabulary had to cut their funding so it fell through; she now works for the NHS.
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16.10.2019, 23:10
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I would claim the opposite. It makes perfect sense. The person on the line probably has a basic understanding of English. Not good enough to work in it, but probably does get the point. If the call was switched to English would the person be legally liable to understand the panicky caller correctly... and the operator was obviously not comfortable enough with his English to do so. Same reason why so many EF users need to bring a translator to their RAV appointments although I am really sure most of the advisors there could do the talk in English... they dont want to because they dont want to face the potential legal repercussions if they get it wrong. | | | | | Please, what legal liabilities and repercussions do you mean?
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16.10.2019, 23:20
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I would claim the opposite. It makes perfect sense. The person on the line probably has a basic understanding of English. Not good enough to work in it, but probably does get the point. If the call was switched to English would the person be legally liable to understand the panicky caller correctly... and the operator was obviously not comfortable enough with his English to do so. | | | | | I agree with your reasoning. But your initial assumption, your Ausgangslage, is incorrect.
OP's claim is literally that the closing came in "perfect English". | Quote: | |  | | | She does not say that was the only thing he did in English, the thanking I mean. I had the idea that he communicated that he understood the situation and thanked her for reporting. I doubt she would come here and make a rant (on a small scale) if she weren't sure. | | | | | Why else would he reply "NEIN" (shouted, reportedly, which makes perfect sense btw) when asked if it's ok for her to use English?
What's Occam's Razor?
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16.10.2019, 23:33
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17.10.2019, 08:08
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Your claim makes no sense. At all.
Never attribute to malevolence what can easily be explained by inability unless you have solid proof.
Why would someone, on an emergency line for christ's sake, pretend to not speak your language even though they do? Why would the person listen to multiple attempt if they didn't wan't do use English all along? Did it ever occur to you that what was said was actually the truth?
Uttering some formula like "thank you for calling" or whatever the closing line was doesn't mean anything, it's trivial to memorise some pre-formulated phrases.
Still, your assumption says a lot about you and your sense of entitlement. | | | | | Thanks Urs for your abusive private message. I can speak German, I have a problem speaking well when nervous and in the middle of the night. The entire conversation was in German, but he couldn’t understand my nervous stutters. He eventually switched to English and it was not just a thank-you at the end of the conversation.
I guess I’m an entitled foreigner for helping someone? Get a grip & a life. I swear this site is getting worse by the day. A perfectly reasonable thread and someone who’s unhappy with their miserable life has to come in and dissect a person they’ve never met or know anything about.
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17.10.2019, 08:18
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You don‘t want them finding your grass. | Quote: |  | | | I never called the police, though. I'm no grass. | | | | | | The following 3 users would like to thank nickatbasel for this useful post: | | 
17.10.2019, 10:43
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks Urs for your abusive private message. | | | | | Quite shocking to hear that there are people who stoop to abusive private DMing. It is a new low even by EF standards.
Your posts were nowhere near egregious and you are perfectly entitled to come here and defend your point.
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17.10.2019, 10:54
| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland
Can anyone else hear a kettle? | 
17.10.2019, 10:56
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Quite shocking to hear that there are people who stoop to abusive private DMing. It is a new low even by EF standards.
Your posts were nowhere near egregious and you are perfectly entitled to come here and defend your point. | | | | |
Nah, this is been the case since EF exists. I know we bash them quite a bit but just a quick thanks to the mods! ...who normally have to deal with that crap without anyone else seeing it.
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17.10.2019, 10:59
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Please, what legal liabilities and repercussions do you mean? | | | | | Yes, please Treverus, if you can please do clarify this one.
I translated/interpreted for someone from German to English because I was this person's only hope, she couldn't find anyone else on a short notice and besides I've done it for free, she was a friend of a friend (non-EU, btw. The one year rule is the same for all as far as I remember). The funny thing is I was accepted to intermediate this conversation even though I'm neither an (official) interpreter, nor a translator.
Btw, I mean at RAV....
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