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17.10.2019, 13:23
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: |  | | | Ha!
Mine would involve a lot of tea drinking. | | | | | "Teabagging inferno", maybe then?
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17.10.2019, 13:25
| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | "Teabagging inferno", maybe then? | | | | | Wrong kind of sacs bags.
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17.10.2019, 13:32
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: |  | | | Wrong kind of sacs bags. | | | | | I was trying to be imaginative | This user would like to thank DerDieDas for this useful post: | | 
17.10.2019, 13:33
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Death of passion. 
| | | | | Depends on where you are drinking the tea from. | Quote: | |  | | | Death of passion. 
Anyway, so glad the thread is back to normal.  | | | | | It is less aggressive but I have a feeling it is going to the dogs again.
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17.10.2019, 15:55
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | A lot of everyday life is porn script-worthy if you approach it right. | | | | |
Bummer ! I miss something here | 
17.10.2019, 19:25
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks Urs for your abusive private message. | | | | | You seem to have a rather weird definition of abusive. It was anything but that. | Quote: | |  | | | A perfectly reasonable thread and someone who’s unhappy with their miserable life has to come in and dissect a person they’ve never met or know anything about. | | | | | What's your hourly rate for psychoanalysis? I obviously need your supreme professional service.
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17.10.2019, 21:08
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I tend to see judge others by my own moral standards and am shocked every time when I encounter others' lack of morals. | | | | | How does mocking a person for being out of work rate on your moral standards scale?
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17.10.2019, 22:25
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Good morning,
In the middle of the night last night, a woman screamed for help in the street. I immediately jumped out of bed and called the police. My German was admittedly poor from being woken from a deep sleep. The policeman screamed at me on the phone that he could not understand me. After multiple attempts to explain myself, I kindly asked him if he spoke English, only to be told a firm "NEIN". Once he could finally understand me, he switched to perfect English and thanked me for helping and that they were already on their way from other multiple calls.
This isn't the first time this has happened to me here. I also received the treatment when I turned in a found wallet. Treated initially with scorn only to be thanked in perfect English upon my departure. I understand that I should speak the local language and I do enough to get by...but in call for help, shouldn't the police or emergency services be prepared to adapt accordingly? | | | | | Bear in mind that many people in Europe - especially people old enough to be police officers - tend to be extremely self-conscious regarding foreign languages and in particular English. Also, bear in mind that a police officer is an individual for whom precision in language is extremely important, particularly in the face of a potential emergency situation. Lastly, remember that you are calling a police officer while yourself under stress, which certainly does not make the situation easier for the officer.
We confronted the very same topic with the Zürich officers when our home was broken into, as well as with a medical emergency involving one of our children. Those two incidents are a big reason why I learned both German and Swiss German, you can complain about a country of more than 8 million people or you can adapt, that's your choice rather than the officer's.
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17.10.2019, 22:39
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | How does mocking a person for being out of work rate on your moral standards scale? | | | | | Very high actually when the complacent person fully deserves it. I once criticized Chuff for doing exactly the same (when he was still on RAV) but now I changed my mind and have no problems about it.
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17.10.2019, 22:42
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland
OP, next time don't bother to call the police. Let people with perfect Swiss German do it!
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17.10.2019, 22:43
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | We confronted the very same topic with the Zürich officers when our home was broken into, as well as with a medical emergency involving one of our children. Those two incidents are a big reason why I learned both German and Swiss German, you can complain about a country of more than 8 million people or you can adapt, that's your choice rather than the officer's. | | | | | OP, next time don't bother to call the police to help other people. Let people with perfect Swiss German do it!
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17.10.2019, 22:52
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | You seem to have a rather weird definition of abusive. It was anything but that. | | | | | Abusive or not, why would you PM someone? I personally never PM'd anyone unsolicited even though I regularly confront some here publicly.
Stick to the forum and let us see what you were saying to the OP and then we can decide if it was abusive or not.
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17.10.2019, 23:39
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | That would be Mandarin Chinese, if you look at native and L1 speakers. | | | | | Followed by Spanish. English is merely third.
Sorry if somebody else already mentioned that.
For me it’s simple: this isn’t an English-speaking country, so I don’t spect anyone to speak English. End of. If they do it’s a bonus, but it’s not an expectation.
There’s also a difference between being able to have a basic convo in another language and having to react to someone who is distressed to some extent or other, may not be coherent in what they’re saying and the ability to react to that in a language that is not their own. It’s funny to me how the thread starts with “my German wasn’t good cause middle of the night and I couldn’t express myself”, yet it’s expected that the person in the other end of the line is able to switch to English. They probably gathered themselves once what they heard made sense to them, and were then able to respond. People who aren’t perfectly fluent in another language also tend to translate in their head. That takes time and consideration. Not a good thing in case of a possible emergency, so very likely the “nein” was own apprehension and insecurity about one’s own skills to accurately understand what that rambling person is trying to say, and this is hardly a negative thing. Especially as depending on the “emergency”, not really understanding what was going on and not being able to adequately respond to it, could have had significant consequences. This wasn’t about a coffee order at Starbucks.
Also, in Zurich, I’m willing to bet the same would have happened with French and vice-versa with German in the French-speaking part. I rarely read of anyone complain about that, yet somehow for certain (!! Thankfully few) English-speakers, it’s somehow a personal offense or attack.
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18.10.2019, 01:13
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Bear in mind that many people in Europe - especially people old enough to be police officers - tend to be extremely self-conscious regarding foreign languages and in particular English. Also, bear in mind that a police officer is an individual for whom precision in language is extremely important, particularly in the face of a potential emergency situation. Lastly, remember that you are calling a police officer while yourself under stress, which certainly does not make the situation easier for the officer.
We confronted the very same topic with the Zürich officers when our home was broken into, as well as with a medical emergency involving one of our children. Those two incidents are a big reason why I learned both German and Swiss German, you can complain about a country of more than 8 million people or you can adapt, that's your choice rather than the officer's. | | | | | Welcome back you Crazy Gringo | This user would like to thank cannut for this useful post: | | 
18.10.2019, 01:49
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | welcome back you crazy gringo  | | | | | +1
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18.10.2019, 09:50
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Crikey, all my juicy posts have been deleted. Fair play to the mod though for taking their time making sure it all still makes sense but I kinda of feel sad losing proof of my repulsive and creepy forum persona  | | | | | I dont think they managed...
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18.10.2019, 10:07
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | Bear in mind that many people in Europe - especially people old enough to be police officers - tend to be extremely self-conscious regarding foreign languages and in particular English. Also, bear in mind that a police officer is an individual for whom precision in language is extremely important, particularly in the face of a potential emergency situation. Lastly, remember that you are calling a police officer while yourself under stress, which certainly does not make the situation easier for the officer.
We confronted the very same topic with the Zürich officers when our home was broken into, as well as with a medical emergency involving one of our children. Those two incidents are a big reason why I learned both German and Swiss German, you can complain about a country of more than 8 million people or you can adapt, that's your choice rather than the officer's. | | | | | You're writing all of these from Pittsburgh?
I have a question though - what if it happened to someone who's living here for only a short period of time. Or visiting this place, or on a student exchange programme.
Yes, we all got the idea - learn the language, it's normal if you decided to make CH your home or to live here for a longer time. But there are a lot more other situations and you guys know it damn well. I assume.
Can't deny you the pleasure of indulging in this holier-than-thou attitude though.....on a public forum, how brave. Have at it. | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks Urs for your abusive private message. I can speak German, I have a problem speaking well when nervous and in the middle of the night. The entire conversation was in German, but he couldn’t understand my nervous stutters. He eventually switched to English and it was not just a thank-you at the end of the conversation.
I guess I’m an entitled foreigner for helping someone? Get a grip & a life. I swear this site is getting worse by the day. A perfectly reasonable thread and someone who’s unhappy with their miserable life has to come in and dissect a person they’ve never met or know anything about. | | | | | Not everyone is the same, Susie-Q. I can imagine you felt powerless and like couldn't manage the basic things such as helping out someone in danger, but hopefully all is good now. You did what you were supposed to do, and they too came around.
Deep breath. There's an ignore list you may want to use.
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18.10.2019, 11:26
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I dont think they managed... | | | | | I can't be bothered to go back and read again but it's a pity. There was some colourful stuff there | This user would like to thank DerDieDas for this useful post: | | 
18.10.2019, 11:39
| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I can't be bothered to go back and read again but it's a pity. There was some colourful stuff there | | | | | I didn't read those posts but you must be the forum badass.
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| | Re: Polizei speaking English in Switzerland | Quote: | |  | | | I agree with this to an extent...but, for the person who answers the emergency line, basic English should be expected?
But the issue isn't so much that he could NOT speak English, it was that he COULD and didn't want to even in an emergency situation.  | | | | | In general the Swiss people are speaking very good English but they are shy to admit it. If you ask them, they will say I speak a little bit and then they will be more fluent than any other non English speaking person!! |
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