Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Daily life  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #21  
Old 27.11.2019, 16:37
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
I do feel that a large part of the problem is the pedestrians, and the public transport system that supports them.

The answer is clear - get rid of all the trams and buses, the pedestrian crossings and the pavements (sidewalks) and ban pedestrians and cyclists from using the roads. Fairly sure that will remove much of the traffic problems, but if not we can tarmac over the railways as well to increase road capacity.
Bahnhoffstrasse could be two lanes up and two lanes down
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 27.11.2019, 16:40
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 32,960
Groaned at 2,698 Times in 1,907 Posts
Thanked 40,154 Times in 18,939 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
I didn't think you'd want to exit the motorway anywhere near Zürich and just continue on past?
No, I need to visit friends in Oerlikon and Zollikerberg.

There's nothing past Zurich in any case.

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #23  
Old 27.11.2019, 16:44
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,970
Groaned at 2,032 Times in 1,120 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

So people have to make detours. If they dont like it then they can take public transport or stay at home
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 27.11.2019, 16:48
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,970
Groaned at 2,032 Times in 1,120 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Years ago they decided to get rid of cars from Langstrasse. And still the cars roll there. These lazy sleepy overpaid Zurich politicians!
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 27.11.2019, 16:54
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,131
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Shit the alternative routes. Simply ban the cars fron the centre. Its their problem to look for alternative routes or use public transport!
Who is "they". The ones who demand banning cars, no doubt.

I was able to read it and it said: <<Ob die Juso-Initiative «Züri autofrei» ungültig oder gültig ist, wird das Bundesgericht entscheiden. Die Gegner akzeptieren das Urteil des Zürcher Verwaltungsgerichtes nicht, das die Volksinitiative für gültig erklärte, und ziehen ihn ans Bundesgericht weiter>>
So either Juso is fighting just for the sake of fighting or Tages Anzeiger does not bother to report correctly.


How about a car shuttle train.
From Dübendort (to keep it comfy for Ato) to Adliswil, for example. Would suit me fine too.
__________________
It's all a matter or perspective.
So move your butt and look at it from the other side
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #26  
Old 27.11.2019, 16:58
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,970
Groaned at 2,032 Times in 1,120 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Who is "they". The ones who demand banning cars, no doubt.



I was able to read it and it said: <<Ob die Juso-Initiative «Züri autofrei» ungültig oder gültig ist, wird das Bundesgericht entscheiden. Die Gegner akzeptieren das Urteil des Zürcher Verwaltungsgerichtes nicht, das die Volksinitiative für gültig erklärte, und ziehen ihn ans Bundesgericht weiter>>
So either Juso is fighting just for the sake of fighting or Tages Anzeiger does not bother to report correctly.


How about a car shuttle train.
From Dübendort (to keep it comfy for Ato) to Adliswil, for example. Would suit me fine too.
Obviously " they" refers to the car drivers
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 27.11.2019, 17:15
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 233
Groaned at 6 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 284 Times in 121 Posts
Calvin has an excellent reputationCalvin has an excellent reputationCalvin has an excellent reputationCalvin has an excellent reputation
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Obviously " they" refers to the car drivers


That's correct. "They" refers to the opponents of the iniative (trade associations).
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 27.11.2019, 17:20
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,970
Groaned at 2,032 Times in 1,120 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
That's correct. "They" refers to the opponents of the iniative (trade associations).
The trade associations only care about their own pocket. They have no interest in living quality
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 27.11.2019, 17:37
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

The entire town carfree... (Besides cantonal and federal roads like Seestrasse for example)

Oh lol, how crazy one must be to think this stands even the smallest chance of winning.

You can stop dreaming of your Cobra Omtatsat, you would not be allowed to drive it even close to your home :P
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 27.11.2019, 17:45
Ato Ato is offline
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Location: ZH
Posts: 2,047
Groaned at 37 Times in 33 Posts
Thanked 3,966 Times in 1,618 Posts
Ato has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond reputeAto has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
It would need an exit near the water on the Gold Coast side to take away a decent bunch of traffic that now uses Qualbrucke.

Town could use a better connection between the two sides. Now one either uses Qualbrucke, or the closest things down is the boat in Horgen or the Bridge near Rapperswil both are not great options when living/being close to town.
Or connect the new road/tunnel to the 52 in Zumikon? Put a junction near Witikon and watch the traffic pile up? It might work. Might also just shift the traffic around a bit.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 27.11.2019, 17:58
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Zurich
Posts: 233
Groaned at 6 Times in 4 Posts
Thanked 284 Times in 121 Posts
Calvin has an excellent reputationCalvin has an excellent reputationCalvin has an excellent reputationCalvin has an excellent reputation
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
The entire town carfree... (Besides cantonal and federal roads like Seestrasse for example)

Oh lol, how crazy one must be to think this stands even the smallest chance of winning.

You can stop dreaming of your Cobra Omtatsat, you would not be allowed to drive it even close to your home :P


I'm not so sure you're right here. Some twenty years ago there was a similar initiative which got 38% yes-votes:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich...story/20480147


Since then the city has moved markedly to the left and only a minority of the housholds owns a car these days. In my estimation the initiative stands a realistic chance of being approuved by the people of Zurich if the supreme court decides that it's valid.
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 27.11.2019, 18:02
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Or connect the new road/tunnel to the 52 in Zumikon? Put a junction near Witikon and watch the traffic pile up? It might work. Might also just shift the traffic around a bit.

Oh yeah it should connect to the 52, but also to the 17 to avoid kusnachtstrasse, limbergstrasse and such to completely pile up hours a day.

More curious how they would do such, the lake is damn deep.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 27.11.2019, 18:05
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,970
Groaned at 2,032 Times in 1,120 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
The entire town carfree... (Besides cantonal and federal roads like Seestrasse for example)

Oh lol, how crazy one must be to think this stands even the smallest chance of winning.

You can stop dreaming of your Cobra Omtatsat, you would not be allowed to drive it even close to your home :P
Its not the entire town. Its the inner Zurich

Name:  Unbenannt.jpg
Views: 261
Size:  117.0 KB
Reply With Quote
This user groans at omtatsat for this post:
  #34  
Old 27.11.2019, 18:12
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
I'm not so sure you're right here. Some twenty years ago there was a similar initiative which got 38% yes-votes:
https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/zuerich...story/20480147


Since then the city has moved markedly to the left and only a minority of the housholds owns a car these days. In my estimation the initiative stands a realistic chance of being approuved by the people of Zurich if the supreme court decides that it's valid.
If they would just do the main centre where the shopping and partying is the main thing to do for majority of people I could see them succeed. But all 91 Square kilometers of town? If they would carry my groceries 50 meters higher and prevent me losing 2,5 hours extra time needed a day to get my kid to daycare I could consider to give it a serious thought...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank for this useful post:
  #35  
Old 27.11.2019, 18:39
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,131
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
The trade associations only care about their own pocket. They have no interest in living quality
Quote:
View Post
Its not the entire town. Its the inner Zurich

Attachment 138252
I would have to do Central-Hirschengraben-Zeltweg-Kreuzstrasse-Utoquai-Bellevue-General Guisan Quai-Wollishofen to get through town then.
Guess who won't vote for your idea.
(Thought I put it down for the voters living in those areas. We don't want them to start claiming they were not informed well enough ).
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank curley for this useful post:
  #36  
Old 27.11.2019, 19:03
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Its not the entire town. Its the inner Zurich

Attachment 138252
Where in the officials plans/proposals do you find that picture, since it makes no sense when put next to all the articles. Nor would it make sense with the court cases. Also a bunch of streets there are already blocked for cars.
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 27.11.2019, 20:16
robBob's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,378
Groaned at 69 Times in 54 Posts
Thanked 3,401 Times in 1,803 Posts
robBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
That's all we need, just a little correction to the road layout

Yeh! Better access to the zoo!
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank robBob for this useful post:
  #38  
Old 27.11.2019, 20:18
robBob's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Zurich
Posts: 3,378
Groaned at 69 Times in 54 Posts
Thanked 3,401 Times in 1,803 Posts
robBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond reputerobBob has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
Its not the entire town. Its the inner Zurich

Attachment 138252

And my short cut!

Not to mention my favorite parking garage. Globus!
Reply With Quote
  #39  
Old 27.11.2019, 22:04
curley's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: canton ZH
Posts: 13,131
Groaned at 218 Times in 182 Posts
Thanked 15,264 Times in 7,847 Posts
curley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond reputecurley has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Quote:
View Post
And my short cut!

Not to mention my favorite parking garage. Globus!
That's a bitch getting out of though.
Reply With Quote
  #40  
Old 28.11.2019, 08:30
Banned
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: CH
Posts: 10,970
Groaned at 2,032 Times in 1,120 Posts
Thanked 5,139 Times in 3,246 Posts
omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat omtatsat
Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

Basically whats needed is the closure of the Rudolf-Brun bridge. That would put an end to all these rich kids in their rented Ferraris from turning the Sihlstrasse and Uraniastrasse into a raceway! And there is a lobby to make Sihlstrasse auto free so thats nothing new.
And of course Löwenstrasse should also be closed ( was also a lobby to do this ). It took 13 years to make 50 metre of Langstrasse auto free. So by the end of this century they might do a little more!

Last edited by omtatsat; 28.11.2019 at 08:46.
Reply With Quote
Reply




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Where can I hire luxury cars in Zurich? cremebrulee Transportation/driving 10 05.03.2021 10:12
Car dealers that BUY cars in Zurich area? DS85 Transportation/driving 9 02.08.2017 16:07
Reasonable garage for old cars around Zurich sholay Transportation/driving 6 27.02.2017 13:06
Albini used cars in Zurich Starald Transportation/driving 0 21.05.2013 17:02
Typical day in Zurich [Super cars] Kash_Z Daily life 0 13.06.2012 11:18


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:08.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0