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That's a bitch getting out of though.

Yea those dam tourons (pedestrians on holiday) who think they have the right of way and take all day to walk pass your car as the Trams are closing in on you from both sides.
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Old 28.11.2019, 20:15
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Basically whats needed is the closure of the Rudolf-Brun bridge [...] And of course Löwenstrasse should also be closed
Actually a lot of traffic runs on the Quaibrücke, filling the Burkliplatz area with noise and exhaust gases. I wonder if a tunnel between Wollishofen and Tiefenbrunnen could be an useful shortcut, or if really all those people must go through Bellevue.

If I had the magic wand, I would make a double tunnel there, so there could also be circular S-Bahn rides between the two sides of the lake
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Old 28.11.2019, 20:29
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Yea those dam tourons (pedestrians on holiday) who think they have the right of way and take all day to walk pass your car as the Trams are closing in on you from both sides.
Got news for you: They DO have the right of way (as you exit on to the sidewalk) and so do the trams.
Naaa, never liked Globus parkhouse and have not used it in like for ever.
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What would solve the problem is to do away with the traffic lights and give cars the right of way.
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Actually a lot of traffic runs on the Quaibrücke, filling the Burkliplatz area with noise and exhaust gases. I wonder if a tunnel between Wollishofen and Tiefenbrunnen could be an useful shortcut, or if really all those people must go through Bellevue.

If I had the magic wand, I would make a double tunnel there, so there could also be circular S-Bahn rides between the two sides of the lake
A Tunnel would be marvellous, almost all traffic from kreis 2 and 3 that like/need to go to kreis 7 or 8 (and the other way around) will pass by Burkliplatz. Even tho very busy there is no real alternative not in distance and not in time. And for me using the car to get from my home in kreis 2 to wherever in tries 7 or 8 is faster by car than by public transport.
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Old 28.11.2019, 20:32
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Got news for you: They DO have the right of way (as you exit on to the sidewalk) and so do the trams.
Naaa, never liked Globus parkhouse and have not used it in like for ever.

I know they have the right of way but do they have to walk slower then a snail and even stop half way to take selfies?

In Rome they wouldn't even make it off the side walk!
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Old 28.11.2019, 21:25
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What would solve the problem is to do away with the traffic lights and give cars the right of way.
I'm not quite sure that I see what the problem is, but yes, there's far too much pandering to pedestrians and making the motorist suffer. As I said earlier in the thread, banning pedestrians from the roads would be a much cleaner and easier solution than trying to ban cars.
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Old 28.11.2019, 22:02
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I know they have the right of way but do they have to walk slower then a snail and even stop half way to take selfies?

In Rome they wouldn't even make it off the side walk!
LOL, I feel you.

I think they devide themselves in tiny groups somewhere around the corner, then send them off .... the next when the first has passed 1/3 of the crosswalk and in between the individuals who don't want to join this system.
The only time they refuse to cross the street is when the trams block me anyway. I ALWAYS think of chickens in those situations, I wonder why ....

The worst is coming from Milchbucktunnel, crossing Central to go up Seilergraben. I must do this once a year .... avoid it like the pest the rest of it.
Although it is probably slightly more exciting going up Weinbergstrasse instead of Seilergraben, that would bei two more tramlines and one more crosswalk plus more cars coming from the right.
And yet I kind of like it that they did not install red-lights yet. I wonder how many people who take their driver's license test are chased accross Central.
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LOL, I feel you.

I think they devide themselves in tiny groups somewhere around the corner, then send them off .... the next when the first has passed 1/3 of the crosswalk and in between the individuals who don't want to join this system.
The only time they refuse to cross the street is when the trams block me anyway. I ALWAYS think of chickens in those situations, I wonder why ....

The worst is coming from Milchbucktunnel, crossing Central to go up Seilergraben. I must do this once a year .... avoid it like the pest the rest of it.
Although it is probably slightly more exciting going up Weinbergstrasse instead of Seilergraben, that would bei two more tramlines and one more crosswalk plus more cars coming from the right.
And yet I kind of like it that they did not install red-lights yet. I wonder how many people who take their driver's license test are chased accross Central.
The automobile age is rapidly coming to an end. It's really not "in" anymore and is irresponsible to own and drive a car
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Old 29.11.2019, 08:48
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The automobile age is rapidly coming to an end. It's really not "in" anymore and is irresponsible to own and drive a car
So you're just a rebel without cause, refusing to conform by championing both the death of the car, whilst looking to buy a sports car?
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So you're just a rebel without cause, refusing to conform by championing both the death of the car, whilst looking to buy a sports car?
Well that was more fantasy than anything
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Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

The should start by towing away all of the broken down and burnt out ones. This place is going to look like Paris in a few years.
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Well that was more fantasy than anything
I agree, it's a fantasy to think that cars will die out or be banned from Zürich. So stop your fantasising and complete the completely feasible purchase of a cobra replica. Then you can move on to complaining about the cost of fuel, or the numbers of road repairs, or the number of other cars on the road, I'm sure you'll find something to whinge about.
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It's really not "in" anymore and is irresponsible to own and drive a car
I'll be sure to tell that to my wife.

I only own motorcycles.

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Old 29.11.2019, 10:19
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I agree, it's a fantasy to think that cars will die out or be banned from Zürich. So stop your fantasising and complete the completely feasible purchase of a cobra replica. Then you can move on to complaining about the cost of fuel, or the numbers of road repairs, or the number of other cars on the road, I'm sure you'll find something to whinge about.
Well. It would be a toss up between that and a Lotus Elise. But i'm thinking a Lotus is too middle class!
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Well. It would be a toss up between that and a Lotus Elise. But i'm thinking a Lotus is too middle class!
Worried about moving up in class?

The elise is a fantastic car, although if you're looking for the AC-Cobra lightweight open top experience, why not get a Caterham 7? Plenty of options already certified in Switzerland.
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Re: Ban cars from cental Zurich

I often ask myself what the folks in the Zurich traffic planning office are smoking. Definitely a different blend than what I smoke.

My blend: When you have 4 parallel streets, make one a dedicated high-speed road for cars, another a dedicated bus and tram viaduct, another a dedicated bicycle road, and the fourth a pleasant, family-friendly walking street.

The Zurich traffic planning dept. blend: Squeeze cars, buses, trams, bicycles and pedestrians onto each of the 4 streets and hope they don't kill each other. When the inevitable happens, blame it on drivers and call for a ban.
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I often ask myself what the folks in the Zurich traffic planning office are smoking. Definitely a different blend than what I smoke.

My blend: When you have 4 parallel streets, make one a dedicated high-speed road for cars, another a dedicated bus and tram viaduct, another a dedicated bicycle road, and the fourth a pleasant, family-friendly walking street.
Isn't that going to seriously piss off the business owners on the speedy road and dedicated bus road?

Suddenly all their foot traffic and vehicle access is gone.
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Isn't that going to seriously piss off the business owners on the speedy road and dedicated bus road?

Suddenly all their foot traffic and vehicle access is gone.
In my Zurich utopia, all business property owners would (magically) benefit from increased access to the city .

Owners of business property on pedestrian and bicycle streets would benefit from demand for retail space due to the higher concentrations of foot and cycle traffic.

Owners of business property on motorway and public transportation streets would benefit from increased demand for office space thanks to the much shorter commuting times required. Retail businesses which cater to motorists and public transportation commuters would also experience increased traffic.

Traffic would (magically) flow from car to public transportation to bike to foot, without everyone getting in each other's way.

The current setup disperses all forms of traffic across all streets, which is not an ideal setup for businesses - and retailers in particular. High pedestrian traffic is limited to the city center, and motorists avoid the city in favor of satellite towns because they are punished for driving into the city. Meanwhile all road users are too busy trying to avoid colliding with each other to give much thought to the businesses they are passing. That may or may not be an exaggeration, but those are my impressions of the current Zurich road regime.
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If all pedestrians were equipped with jet packs, then the walkways would be cleared, albeit we'd have to make sure that all shop & office doors were wide enough to "fly" straight into?
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