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Whistles_85 01.12.2019 18:59

Pomerian Dog
 
Hi all,

I am keen to get a little Pomeranian dog next year (the miniature size type) and wondered if anyone knew of any good breeders out there?!

Thanks

Snoopy 01.12.2019 19:08

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Is that a Zwergspitz in German?

curley 01.12.2019 19:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by catherinesarah (Post 3125972)
Hi all,

I am keen to get a little Pomeranian dog next year (the miniature size type) and wondered if anyone knew of any good breeders out there?!

Thanks

3 breeders on this list. (scroll down)

Should be interesting doing the dog obedience school with this. Beware of Dobermans (or is it Dobermen? LOL).

k_and_e 01.12.2019 19:43

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I feel a bit sorry for the other half, who will have to make walks with the dog in public...

meloncollie 01.12.2019 19:44

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Catherinesarah, if you are new to Swiss 'dogdom', this thread might be of help to you:
https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...e-breeder.html

Generally speaking, the process of getting a dog from a breeder can be a bit more involved here than you might have experienced in other countries. While that thread is old, the general expectations remain the same.

One difference is that the SKN classes mentioned in the thread have been abolished, so you do not need that step anymore.

But most breeders will expect you to establish a relationship with them, to go through an assessment to determine if you are the right family for the particular pup you are interested in. Some, perhaps most, breeders have waiting lists - so a breeder who does not have pups at the moment will still be interested in getting to know you now, well ahead of any planned litter. It might take time - months, maybe a year or more, to find a pup.

FYI, most reputable breeders are members of an FCI/SKG affiliated club. The official breed club, linked by Curley above, is a good place to start. If you wish to look further afield, the FCI organization in Germany is the VDH.

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Do be aware that the Dark Side is very active in Switzerland. Puppy mills/battery producers, back yard breeders, dog dealers, illegal smugglers abound here. And they are all over t'internet. Their online presence is often clever, you might not be aware of what is going on behind the pictures of cute puppies and tug-at-your-heart marketing. Please, do your due diligence on any breeder you might conside. Do not contribute to the misery these evil bar stewards wreak among our canine friends.

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Wishing you and your future four footed friend all the best.


ETA:

Quote:

Originally Posted by catherinesarah (Post 3125972)
(the miniature size type)

Just a comment here. Perhaps I am reading too much into this phrase, but I want to discourage you from looking for the so-called 'teacup' fashion, where dogs, poms/Zwergspitz included, have been miniaturized beyond what is healthy. Some of these dogs have been bred so small that their bones are brittle and break at the least stress.

FYI, most ethical breeders are working against these fashion-driven trends. A good breeder puts health and temperament first and foremost in all breeding decisions.

As should all dog owners.

So if I am reading more into your phrasing than you meant, please ignore my comment. But as Qualzucht is such an issue these days I try to raise consciousness around this issue when the subject comes up.

Again, all the best to you and your soon-to-be pup.

curley 01.12.2019 20:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by meloncollie (Post 3125976)
Catherinesarah, if you are new to Swiss 'dogdom', this thread might be of help to you:
https://www.englishforum.ch/pet-corn...e-breeder.html

Generally speaking, the process of getting a dog from a breeder can be a bit more involved here than you might have experienced in other countries. While that thread is old, the general expectations remain the same.

One difference is that the SKN classes mentioned in the thread have been abolished, so you do not need that step anymore.

But most breeders will expect you to establish a relationship with them, to go through an assessment to determine if you are the right family for the particular pup you are interested in. Some, perhaps most, breeders have waiting lists - so a breeder who does not have pups at the moment will still be interested in getting to know you now, well ahead of any planned litter. It might take time - months, maybe a year or more, to find a pup.

FYI, most reputable breeders are members of an FCI/SKG affiliated club. The official breed club, linked by Curley above, is a good place to start. If you wish to look further afield, the FCI organization in Germany is the VDH.

---

Do be aware that the Dark Side is very active in Switzerland. Puppy mills/battery producers, back yard breeders, dog dealers, illegal smugglers abound here. And they are all over t'internet. Their online presence is often clever, you might not be aware of what is going on behind the pictures of cute puppies and tug-at-your-heart marketing. Please, do your due diligence on any breeder you might conside. Do not contribute to the misery these evil bar stewards wreak among our canine friends.

---

Wishing you and your future four footed friend all the best.


ETA:



Just a comment here. Perhaps I am reading too much into this phrase, but I want to discourage you from looking for the so-called 'teacup' fashion, where dogs, poms/Zwergspitz included, have been miniaturized beyond what is healthy. Some of these dogs have been bred so small that their bones are brittle and break at the least stress.

FYI, most ethical breeders are working against these fashion-driven trends. A good breeder puts health and temperament first and foremost in all breeding decisions.

As should all dog owners.

So if I am reading more into your phrasing than you meant, please ignore my comment. But as Qualzucht is such an issue these days I try to raise consciousness around this issue when the subject comes up.

Again, all the best to you and your soon-to-be pup.

I also believe, anybody who wants a pureberd dog should carefully look into what the "speciality" of the breed is and what that means for the dog. Dogs having trouble breathing, walking, with their backs when a little older ..... the things are endless. Does one really want to put a creature through pain and problems just for the looks?

I personally would happily go for a crossbreed, hoping "he" took the best and healthiest parts of the parents.
Not saying the OP should do that. But if they have set their heart on a Pomerian they should get all available information what actually makes one a Pomerian. I actually always thought a Spitz was already pretty small :msnsmile:

miniMia 02.12.2019 11:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by catherinesarah (Post 3125972)
Hi all,

I am keen to get a little Pomeranian dog next year (the miniature size type) and wondered if anyone knew of any good breeders out there?!

Thanks

I know a good Pomeranian breeder.
If you are interested send me a PM and I’ll dig out the contact for you.

Island Monkey 02.12.2019 11:41

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Originally Posted by curley (Post 3125981)
I also believe, anybody who wants a pureberd dog should carefully look into what the "speciality" of the breed is and what that means for the dog. Dogs having trouble breathing, walking, with their backs when a little older ..... the things are endless. Does one really want to put a creature through pain and problems just for the looks?

I personally would happily go for a crossbreed, hoping "he" took the best and healthiest parts of the parents.
Not saying the OP should do that. But if they have set their heart on a Pomerian they should get all available information what actually makes one a Pomerian. I actually always thought a Spitz was already pretty small :msnsmile:

We got a purebreed for the first time ever, after always having cross or mixed breeds. The reason.... we wanted it from a puppy, and it seemed impossible to find cross/mix breed puppies in Switzerland. In the UK there were always people in the local area whose dogs were having mixed breed pups.

Kittster 03.12.2019 12:56

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Originally Posted by Island Monkey (Post 3126117)
We got a purebreed for the first time ever, after always having cross or mixed breeds. The reason.... we wanted it from a puppy, and it seemed impossible to find cross/mix breed puppies in Switzerland. In the UK there were always people in the local area whose dogs were having mixed breed pups.

Well, that would be because people are not being responsible owners. Spay and neuter your pets, people

NotAllThere 03.12.2019 15:33

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A couple I know ended up getting one from near Paris (I can never figure out which way it is facing...:) ). They tried a few Swiss breeders, but were put off by things like not being allowed to inspect the kennels the dogs were housed in.

curley 03.12.2019 16:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3126509)
A couple I know ended up getting one from near Paris (I can never figure out which way it is facing...:) ). They tried a few Swiss breeders, but were put off by things like not being allowed to inspect the kennels the dogs were housed in.

The side that bites is the front. :)

meloncollie 03.12.2019 17:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3126509)
They tried a few Swiss breeders, but were put off by things like not being allowed to inspect the kennels the dogs were housed in.


Worrisome that a breeder would not allow it. The good ones I have met expect a potential buyer to ask to do so.

Meeting the breeder, seeing the property, meeting the dogs, discussing how the puppy area reflects the breeder's ideas of early socialisation - these are fundamental points on the due diligence checklist, and a good breeder generally appreciates families who understand the importance.

Your friends were right to look elsewhere.

miniMia 03.12.2019 18:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3126509)
A couple I know ended up getting one from near Paris (I can never figure out which way it is facing...:) ). They tried a few Swiss breeders, but were put off by things like not being allowed to inspect the kennels the dogs were housed in.

That's very strange. All the breeders I know in Switzerland will allow people to visit. Maybe they were not registered breeders?

AnnaSophiaA 04.12.2019 12:46

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The OP is possibly referring to Pomeranians as “miniature spitz” because in French at least, that’s essentially what they’re called, “spitz nain” (“dwarf” being a better translation than “miniature”). This is, of course, assuming that the OP is familiar with the French name for the Pomeranian. So I could be totally wrong :D

A lot of people I know who are really into their dogs go to other countries and then import the puppy. In the breeds I’m into, this is at least partially because the Swiss breeders have a bit of a bad habit of not outbreeding enough. Some Swiss Appenzeller breeders for instance always use the same bloodlines, and more and more a true breed lover who wants to preserve the genetic integrity has to go to other countries. My dog’s breeder is planning to go to Finland or Russia to import her next stud. She says France and Switzerland have had their heads in the sand regarding genetic diversity regarding the Appenzeller at least. Of course on the other hand there are loads of farm bred dogs with mixed descent including Appenzeller among others. If they held up to the rigors or behavior and health testing, I can say my personal opinion is that many breeds could stand to allow a little cross breeding to bring back some new genetic material, but that will probably never happen. I do legitimately think we might start to see the disappearance of many breeds due to too little diversity over generations of breeders. I was aghast to hear my neighbor say that her nephew got another Swiss White Shepherd puppy and her comment was—“so she’ll die of cancer too, just like all the other Swiss Whites he’s had.”

But I see I’ve digressed :D

miniMia 04.12.2019 14:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NotAllThere (Post 3126509)
A couple I know ended up getting one from near Paris (I can never figure out which way it is facing...:) ). They tried a few Swiss breeders, but were put off by things like not being allowed to inspect the kennels the dogs were housed in.

In the first results I found on google for breeders in Switzerland two that I checked out are not registered breeders. They are ‘family breeders’ or ‘hobby breeders’.

You need to make sure they are registered with FCI and SKS and the breeders club for the breed (or group of breeds). Of course you should do this for breeders outside of Switzerland as well.

That doesn’t mean you’ll get a perfect puppy. But it’s the minimum.


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