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Old 31.12.2019, 14:41
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

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It's a list of narcotics authorized for use in Switzerland (which has got nothing to do with import/export).

Check the Swiss medic page yourself - where does it mention import or export?

People cannot import narcotics into Switzerland - unless they are sick, which means they can import a small amount from those on the authorized list.

Compare what I wrote with what Marton wrote:




In what way do you think what I have written is wrong and what Marton has written is correct?
"Check the Swiss medic page yourself - where does it mention import? "
Here is the Swiss medic page, check the red ellipses!
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Old 31.12.2019, 14:51
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

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"Check the Swiss medic page yourself - where does it mention import? "
Here is the Swiss medic page, check the red ellipses!
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1. That's not the Swiss Medic page with the Excel spreadsheet.
2. You originally wrote that the medicines on the list could not be imported.

You're still wrong on both counts -how ever much red pen you use.
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Old 31.12.2019, 15:45
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

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It's a list of narcotics authorized for use in Switzerland (which has got nothing to do with import/export).

Check the Swiss medic page yourself - where does it mention import or export?

People cannot import narcotics into Switzerland - unless they are sick, which means they can import a small amount from those on the authorized list.

Compare what I wrote with what Marton wrote:




In what way do you think what I have written is wrong and what Marton has written is correct?
You might want to go and have another look at yours posts.

In your first post you said that it’s a list of drugs that are allowed to be used in Switzerland and in your second post you said it’s list of drugs that are allowed to be Imported into Switzerland.

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Isn't that a list of drugs that are allowed to be used in Switzerland (and nothing to do with imports/exports?
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It's as I wrote. It's a list of narcotics that are allowed to be imported into Switzerland (with the caveat that only sick travellers may bring them in as a personal effect).

It even says Authorised human medicines containing narcotics.

Did you really think that this was a banned list of narcotics and if one was not on the list, one could import it freely?

Feel free to invent your own interpretations. Oh, you already have ( which is why I called you out on it).


I’m not arguing about who is right or wrong but with your assertion that your two posts are saying the same thing because they clearly aren’t.
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Old 31.12.2019, 17:13
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In your first post you said that it’s a list of drugs that are allowed to be used in Switzerland and in your second post you said it’s list of drugs that are allowed to be Imported into Switzerland.

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It's the same list. The list is not specifically about drug (narcotics to be specific) allowed to be imported but drugs authorized to be used in Switzerland. (There is an important difference).

I really cannot be bothered to discuss this any more but the reason why I bothered in the first place was for the following:

If someone outside Switzerland had a medical condition and was taking prescribed drugs of a narcotic nature and decided to visit Switzerland, they might stumble across this thread, read Marton's second post where he clearly provides a link directly to a spreadsheet and he states that the drugs on the list are not allowed to be imported into Switzerland.

The list is actually those narcotics authorized for use in Switzerland.

Any narcotics not on the list can also not be imported generally. It's not that list. That's another list.

So yes, with a prescription, the person could buy the drugs on the list in Switzerland and if they were sick (and presumably had a prescription too), they could also import, on their person, a limited amount of the same drug.

May be I should have just left it at my first reply to Marton when I explained that what he wrote was just wrong and misleading. I can't be bothered to proof-read my posts to a legal standard. It's an internet forum.
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Old 31.12.2019, 17:53
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

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It's the same list. The list is not specifically about drug (narcotics to be specific) allowed to be imported but drugs authorized to be used in Switzerland. (There is an important difference).

I really cannot be bothered to discuss this any more but the reason why I bothered in the first place was for the following:

If someone outside Switzerland had a medical condition and was taking prescribed drugs of a narcotic nature and decided to visit Switzerland, they might stumble across this thread, read Marton's second post where he clearly provides a link directly to a spreadsheet and he states that the drugs on the list are not allowed to be imported into Switzerland.

The list is actually those narcotics authorized for use in Switzerland.

Any narcotics not on the list can also not be imported generally. It's not that list. That's another list.

So yes, with a prescription, the person could buy the drugs on the list in Switzerland and if they were sick (and presumably had a prescription too), they could also import, on their person, a limited amount of the same drug.

May be I should have just left it at my first reply to Marton when I explained that what he wrote was just wrong and misleading. I can't be bothered to proof-read my posts to a legal standard. It's an internet forum.
Should we be encouraging sick people to come here, take narcotics, and possibly be a burden on us?
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May be I should have just left it at my first reply to Marton when I explained that what he wrote was just wrong and misleading. I can't be bothered to proof-read my posts to a legal standard. It's an internet forum.
Proof reading your posts would have been a good idea in this case.
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Old 31.12.2019, 20:15
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Proof reading your posts would have been a good idea in this case.
Not just in this case.
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Old 01.01.2020, 17:19
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Should we be encouraging sick people to come here, take narcotics, and possibly be a burden on us?
It could be Swiss people living, working, or travelling abroad who have been in an accident and need pain killers for their return journey, and until they can reach a pharmacy.

Are you suggesting they shouldn't come home to their families or should be discouraged from doing so?

I have to say, people have criticised my lack of proof-reading of my posts on this thread but you've not only totally misunderstood the import laws but you've written some real sh1t too.

I've proof-read the above and can confirm that it's accurate.
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

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It could be Swiss people living, working, or travelling abroad who have been in an accident and need pain killers for their return journey, and until they can reach a pharmacy.

Are you suggesting they shouldn't come home to their families or should be discouraged from doing so?

I have to say, people have criticised my lack of proof-reading of my posts on this thread but you've not only totally misunderstood the import laws but you've written some real sh1t too.

I've proof-read the above and can confirm that it's accurate.

It could be, but mostly people arrive in Switzerland within a few hours of their leaving so a large quantitiy pf pills isn't necessary.


Any more and it begs the question if indeed they are fit to travel.....and if it was a visitor to Switzerland, one has to wonder if they have adequate insurance with such serious medical issues
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

The linked Swissmedic Excel sheet https://www.swissmedic.ch/dam/swissm...BTM%20HAM.xlsx lists the narcotics approved as as human medicine.

The list of all narcotics can be found in the Betäubungsmittelverzeichnisverordnung https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...220/index.html

The list with all drugs approved as human medicine is this one: https://www.swissmedic.ch/dam/swissm...ste%20HAM.xlsx
It contains a bit more than 11500 entries. One might also use https://compendium.ch to find more information.

From the Z-Drugs class, only Zolpidem is considered a narcotic. Zopiclone is not considered a narcotic. A quick search did not reveal any foreign online source which is cheaper than the regular Swiss price.

Although, one can legally import non-narcotics for self usage for a months treatment, Zopiclone should not be used for more than 10 days! https://compendium.ch/product/118352...bl-7-5-mg/MPro
A 30 tablet package could be seen as three times the legal amount.
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

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Exactly - that's why there's a low limit - for personal, immediate use.

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Any more and it begs the question if indeed they are fit to travel.....and if it was a visitor to Switzerland, one has to wonder if they have adequate insurance with such serious medical issues
Some of the substances on the list are sold in tablet form and mixed with aspirin or paracetamol and for use in moderate to severe pain so there are probably cases where a patient is fit to fly, fit to walk and just needs to get where they are going.

I flew into a country once and went straight into hospital for a two week stay but I could still walk off the plane unhindered.
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

I notice that many of the official sources listed don't seem to mention wether or not the medication was prescribed by a doctor or wether or not it came from an 'approved pharmacy' or a black market source.
They seem to concentrate more on the 30 days or narcotic or not.

I'm sure there are savings to be had if you know a reliable source but otherwise you takes your chances.. Many illegal pharmas are just selling generic copies of brand name drugs at low prices or repackaged wholesale stuff they are not all selling chalk dust and stealing your money.
Big pharma hates this of course.. But it's a mine field..
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The linked Swissmedic Excel sheet https://www.swissmedic.ch/dam/swissm...BTM%20HAM.xlsx lists the narcotics approved as as human medicine.

The list of all narcotics can be found in the Betäubungsmittelverzeichnisverordnung https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...220/index.html

The list with all drugs approved as human medicine is this one: https://www.swissmedic.ch/dam/swissm...ste%20HAM.xlsx
It contains a bit more than 11500 entries. One might also use https://compendium.ch to find more information.

From the Z-Drugs class, only Zolpidem is considered a narcotic. Zopiclone is not considered a narcotic. A quick search did not reveal any foreign online source which is cheaper than the regular Swiss price.

Although, one can legally import non-narcotics for self usage for a months treatment, Zopiclone should not be used for more than 10 days! https://compendium.ch/product/118352...bl-7-5-mg/MPro
A 30 tablet package could be seen as three times the legal amount.
So to return to the OP's question, Zopiclone is not considered a narcotic as the OP posted was so claimed by the police.

This UK site states a single course of treatment should not continue for longer than 4 weeks so a 30 tablet package might be OK? Basically all depends on what the OP's prescription says?
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It could be Swiss people living, working, or travelling abroad who have been in an accident and need pain killers for their return journey, and until they can reach a pharmacy.

Are you suggesting they shouldn't come home to their families or should be discouraged from doing so?

I have to say, people have criticised my lack of proof-reading of my posts on this thread but you've not only totally misunderstood the import laws but you've written some real sh1t too.

I've proof-read the above and can confirm that it's accurate.
You are moving the goalposts again, as usual, you know very well we were discussing visitors to Switzerland, not Swiss people. I assume from your several misunderstandings of my posts you are not a native English speaker but do keep practicing?
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You are moving the goalposts again, as usual, you know very well we were discussing visitors to Switzerland, not Swiss people. I assume from your several misunderstandings of my posts you are not a native English speaker but do keep practicing?
What permit did the OP have? I don't recall that they mentioned it. Perhaps they are newly nationalised.

And besides, some of us were discussing facts.

You brought your morals into it asking whether sick people should be allowed in to the country.
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

I'm sorry, but in wouldn't the best solution to simply deny to ever ordering anything?

As the receiver you are not liable for everything someone sends you. Unless OP already collected the package without notifying the police.

Second best advice would be to lawyer up.
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...As the receiver you are not liable for everything someone sends you. Unless OP already collected the package without notifying the police.
OP said up-thread that the package has not arrived, presumably because it's held up at Customs/police.

IMO a lawyer will only cost money. Posts here seem to say that the imported medicine is NOT a narcotic, so perhaps the issue is that the OP ordered too many tablets as opposed to ordering something that's illegal to import. Maybe that's just a fine and not a criminal case?
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This UK site states a single course of treatment should not continue for longer than 4 weeks so a 30 tablet package might be OK?
What information has more gravitas: The text on some random UK website, or the official information for medical practitioners as approved by Swissmedic?

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Basically all depends on what the OP's prescription says?
This. If the prescription was for a 30 pcs package that might help.
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

As I have a high own risk, I buy my (rarely) prescribed medicines in Italy from a pharmacy. I've never done this online though. The price difference is substantial and you don't have to pay that ridiculous prescription charge, which is my main objection.

My doctor gave me a prescription for some otc ear drops. CHF 9.50 + the pharmacist wanted CHF 9 for the prescription. She helpfully told me the health insurance would reimburse it! I then said as it's otc I'll throw the prescription away to which she replied it was to late as it was now on the system. I thanked her and walked out feeling her eyes drilling into my back..

I was in Italy that evening for a dinner, so went to the pharmacist there and bought the same product for just EUR 3.00

The authorities (and pharmacists) are desperate to keep the price of medicines high so they can make insane profits at our expense.
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The authorities (and pharmacists) are desperate to keep the price of medicines high so they can make insane profits at our expense.
The authorities? Really? I thought it was the authorities who are concerned about the cost of public health. But according to you, they're actually making a profit from it.
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