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If you live in some hellish totalitarian state maybe.

Otherwise it is their job to neutrally collect evidence and information. A prosecutor would then make a case against you.
If you ever had them attend a car accident you might disagree, they have their own agenda. I went to court & proved the police lied, judge accepted my view, this was in canton ZH.
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If you ever had them attend a car accident you might disagree, they have their own agenda. I went to court & proved the police lied, judge accepted my view, this was in canton ZH.
Sounds like you just proved my point. Police overreached and judge sided with you.
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If you ever had them attend a car accident you might disagree, they have their own agenda. I went to court & proved the police lied, judge accepted my view, this was in canton ZH.
This. There are views.

Had the judge not accepted your appeal, would you have written "I lied"?
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Anyone knows if this strategy works in Switzerland too?
Equivalents of the fifth?
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Sounds like you just proved my point. Police overreached and judge sided with you.
That was on appeal, so originally the judge accepted without question what plod wrote. Clearly I have not proved your point, the default is, you are found guilty by post.
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Anyone knows if this strategy works in Switzerland too?
Equivalents of the fifth?
No requirement to speak to the police, let them make a case on their own.
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This. There are views.

Had the judge not accepted your appeal, would you have written "I lied"?
Nope, my date of birth is a fact, the Police evidence was incorrect, in both opinion & fact.
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That was on appeal, so originally the judge accepted without question what plod wrote. Clearly I have not proved your point, the default is, you are found guilty by post.
You absolutely did prove the point. The police's job is collecting evidence. This is then passed to the relevant authority to form a case.

The prosecution's case was dismissed on appeal as the police's evidence was either found faulty (police error) or fabricated/not neutral (police lie, as you suggest).

This is how things should work.

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Nope, my date of birth is a fact, the Police evidence was incorrect, in both opinion & fact.
So if you mistakenly wrote your DoB incorrectly, would that have been a lie?
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Nope, my date of birth is a fact, the Police evidence was incorrect, in both opinion & fact.
Only that was not the question.

It keeps amazing me how people are not able to look at situations they are in themselves objectively. Life is so much easier, clearer, faster and more peaceful when one does.

As to your case, I would not need to go to court, cause the taxpayer a lot of costs to convince the police of my date of birth.
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No requirement to speak to the police, let them make a case on their own.
The accused and a "person providing information" can remain silent.
Art. 113 Criminal Procedure Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a113
Art. 180 Criminal Procedure Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a180

An accused can even lie, even in court, as long as they to not wrongfully incriminate someone else.

A witness on the other hand must testify and can "plead the fifth" only in cases of self incrimination, incrimination of a close relative, or confidentiality mandated by the law. See from Art. 163 Criminal Procedure Code onwards https://www.admin.ch/opc/en/classifi...ndex.html#a163

If invited by the police you should show up. If invited by prosecutor, state's attorney, or court you must show up. But, as usual you can remain silent if you are the accused or a person providing information.
Art. 205 and 206 Criminal Procedure Code https://www.admin.ch/opc/de/classifi...ndex.html#a205 If you do not show up to a police summons either expect that you get invited by prosecutor or state's attorney, or that the police might show up, ask questions at your work place or home.

PS: The "Do Not Talk To The Police" video is a must watch. Specially the second part were a police officer is speaking.
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Only that was not the question.

It keeps amazing me how people are not able to look at situations they are in themselves objectively. Life is so much easier, clearer, faster and more peaceful when one does.

As to your case, I would not need to go to court, cause the taxpayer a lot of costs to convince the police of my date of birth.
There was a 500 CHF fine, plus costs I would have had to pay. Many inconsistencies in the Police's story, including the other driver's tachograph that the police chose to ignore. I only saw the full evidence when I went to court.
The judge was slow on the uptake when I said my DOB was incorrect, he did not ask what it should have been. After he said 'no further questions', he asked me to sign the protocol which showed an incorrect DOB. I crossed out the DOB & signed. He asked me what my DOB was & I pointed out his 'no further questions' & left it at that.
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Zopiclone is a Liste B drug. 30 tables cost about sixteen francs from Swiss online pharmacies. It doesn't look like it's a narcotic though. Perhaps they sent diamorphine by accident?
Herein lies the problem.

Why do people think it's a good idea to risk this sort of problem with the police plus potentially risk their health to save 16 CHF?
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PS: The "Do Not Talk To The Police" video is a must watch. Specially the second part were a police officer is speaking.
Only that is the USA, and principles that apply there do not automatically apply here.
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thanks ... looks like its complex chain .. it came from budapest while i ordered from India. Interviewer showed me the screen print of package which shows clearly Hungary stamp.

I appeal to everyone - dont fall in such kind of trap. its very difficult to convince local authorities. for ex - i can place order for any one easily given its very easy to get address but they end up with same situation like me.

Lesson learnt.
This sounds very strange.

Hungary is a country where medcines and pharma are relatively expensive, and international postage ditto, so I don't see why anybody would want to run an international online pahramcy from there.
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Only that is the USA, and principles that apply there do not automatically apply here.
Here the German version https://no-spy.org/2017/06/09/6nsk-u...schweigen-2-0/
Sure, still not one to one applicable to Switzerland. But the similarities are striking, even on this side of the pond the gist is the same: Keep your blabbermouth shut and the police is not your friend. It is not "Die Polizei dein Freund und Helfer" but "Polizei! Freundchen, dir wird geholfen".

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Why do people think it's a good idea to risk this sort of problem with the police plus potentially risk their health to save 16 CHF?
Interestingly, Alprazolam/Xanax is also just a category B drug (drugs are classed in dispensing categories, not lists) in any strength eventhought it is a list b narcotic.
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Re: Summon from polizie [online drug import]

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If you live in some hellish totalitarian state maybe.

Otherwise it is their job to neutrally collect evidence and information. A prosecutor would then make a case against you.

I can't tell if you are just generalizing or speaking from experience, but shoulda-woulda does not apply to real situations. In real world scenario a police officer may label your case as "kindergarten", may suggest to just talk to your agressor instead, may say that filing a report and subsequently persuading justice won't bring much based on their experience, may refer to the opinion of a 3d person etc. This all happens not in "some hellish totalitarian state", but in CH. Police officers can be and very often are being not neutral at all, in CH.
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I can't tell if you are just generalizing or speaking from experience, but shoulda-woulda does not apply to real situations. In real world scenario a police officer may label your case as "kindergarten", may suggest to just talk to your agressor instead, may say that filing a report and subsequently persuading justice won't bring much based on their experience, may refer to the opinion of a 3d person etc. This all happens not in "some hellish totalitarian state", but in CH. Police officers can be and very often are being not neutral at all, in CH.
Judges are sworn to neutrality. If you want justice, go to a judge.

The job of a policeman is foremost to keep the peace. That takes priority over administering justice. And if that involves vaguely slipping into the grey zones adjacent to absolute neutrality, so be it.
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This sounds very strange.

Hungary is a country where medcines and pharma are relatively expensive, and international postage ditto, so I don't see why anybody would want to run an international online pahramcy from there.
For the same reason they want to run an international online pharmacy in say Germany?
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For the same reason they want to run an international online pharmacy in say Germany?
Not really comparable.

Germany has:

- one of Europe's most efficient postal systems
- a large domestic market that can provide the base business, with the international stuff just being the icing on the cake.
- is in the Eurozone, so at least for other Euro customers, pricing is predicatble.
- pharma is actually quite cheap in Germany

There are even Chinese companies who have set up their European distribution bases in Germany.
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I can't tell if you are just generalizing or speaking from experience, but shoulda-woulda does not apply to real situations. In real world scenario a police officer may label your case as "kindergarten", may suggest to just talk to your agressor instead, may say that filing a report and subsequently persuading justice won't bring much based on their experience, may refer to the opinion of a 3d person etc. This all happens not in "some hellish totalitarian state", but in CH. Police officers can be and very often are being not neutral at all, in CH.
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