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Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

Why do they have to build a loop here? Why not a straight tunnel?

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Old 20.01.2020, 09:02
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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

The loop is necessary so the gradient doesn’t get too steep . The present Rosengartenstr is actually steeper than regulations allow for a street of this importance .

Generally I don’t support the construction of new road capacity in the city of Zurich . Traffic is bad enough as it is and more capacity just attracts more people to drive .

I am also a big supporter of new tram lines, but on this particular case I don’t really see the case. The present trolleybus is well suited for the situation and a tram would be slower on account of the stiff gradient .

So all in al the project is far from perfect .

But I think in this particular case it is probably a necessary evil as the alternative that the left is proposing is even more unworkable . You can’t just downgrade a major thoroughfare without providing an alternative .
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Old 20.01.2020, 10:06
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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

VBZ claims that a tram line would allow two lines to run there, providing a direct link between Zurich Nord (Oerlikon) and Zurich West (Hardbrucke, Altstetten) thus avoiding the Hauptbanhof area. Both areas are currently expanding so I think it may make sense.

A previous vote rejected the idea of tram tracks on mixed lanes, so a separate tunnel for cars is the only way to make room for the new lines.

Like amogle I am not completely convinced about the road part, it might actually increase the traffic in the areas around the tunnel entrances, but overall I am all for more tram lines.

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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

I am also for more tram lines. The older parts of Zurich are well served, and up until the 1920s or so, virtually all neighbourhoods had a tram line. But as newer neighbourhoods were built post war and since, development of the tram network began to lag behind (and some lines were closed in the 1950s). It's only been in recent years that some attempts were made to remedy this and the rate at which new tram lines are being built has been ramped up a notch. So we've seen new tram lines go out to the airport, the Glatt shopping centre, Schlieren, as well as the fill-in line to Bahnhof Altstetten and across Hardbrücke.

And there is a lot more in the pipeline. For example the line to Affoltern. It simply baffles me that this wasn't done decades ago as its a nice wide road with lots of space and the bus services have been bursting at the seams for as long as I can remember. There is also a proposed Oerlikon to Schwamendingen link which I absolutely see the sense of. And of course the line out to Dietikon and Killwangen which is currently being built.

But somehow I have difficulty seeing the Rosengarten tram project in the same light. To me it is a road project first and foremost. But because a road only project is a difficult sell in Zürich these days, they added in two tram lines for good measure.

I still believe the net effect will be positive mind you. It's still a bit of a sneaky tactic though.

It's also somehow odd to me that they want to put in tram tracks on top of Hardbrücke on the Wipkingen / Kreis 5 side, seeing there are already tram tracks underneath that bit of Hardbrücke, some of which were put in only recently. What's the point of running two tram lines, virtually one on top of the other?
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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

I have Swiss friends in the area who are dead against it, for environmental reasons mainly (I'm talking about the road tunnel for cars not the extra tram lines) but I have friends who actually live Rosengartenstrasse who are very much for it, the main reason because the traffic noise there is horrendous. Even at the back of their buildings they can't really enjoy their balconies and can't have windows open at night in the summer.

It won't affect me, but I do feel it will help improve the area in the long run. It's such a busy street and all that traffic trying to get up the hill creates so much pollution.

The roadworks further up towards the motorways I was told are to cover the dual carriageway to improve noise levels for the residents there. I think the plan is to have open public spaces and parks on top of the existing road. Again, a vast improvement IMO.
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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

I am very much for it. I think 'hiding' cars underground will only improve life of people living in at the Rosengartenstrasse, there will be much less noise and polution. At the same time reclaimed parts will be used for tram line...

I don't actually see negatives tbh.


-> As for capacity increase, I am not sure how much would it really increase it. In reality it's not the main factor limiting it, it's (on the outbound way) getting onto Hardbrucke and Hardbrucke itself, on the inbound now it's the 'artifical' traffic lights righ after Bucheggplatz.
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I am very much for it. I think 'hiding' cars underground will only improve life of people living in at the Rosengartenstrasse, there will be much less noise and polution. At the same time reclaimed parts will be used for tram line...

I don't actually see negatives tbh.


-> As for capacity increase, I am not sure how much would it really increase it. In reality it's not the main factor limiting it, it's (on the outbound way) getting onto Hardbrucke and Hardbrucke itself, on the inbound now it's the 'artifical' traffic lights righ after Bucheggplatz.
I think they need a tram subway from Zürich HB to Schwamendingen /Glatt centre/and further. At the moment there is no direct connection to Glatt and further. Completely unacceptable!!
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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

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Why do they have to build a loop here? Why not a straight tunnel?

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I just don't know ,but my guess is you have to stay under a hill or mountain to build a TUNNEL
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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

10 years it will take to build it. 5 to think about it and 5 to build it
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Re: Rosengarten Tunnel Zurich

The thing is that some people have to make sacrifices so the others in the future can have a life. Something that the majority of the society these days don't comprehend.
And this city of Zurich State govt should be forced to compensate all those living in Rosengarten street over 50 years for the damage that this highway has caused!

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