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Interesting piece here on the EU - AstraZenica dispute. Indicates AZ may well be on dodgy ground.
But it is also obliged to send the doses made in the UK to the UK first... AZ may have got itself into a pickle.

There needs to be direct dialogue between the UK and the EU to resolve this.

There needs to be either a compromise made or each country fend for itself - but ultimately this is due to i) Astra potentially not being as tight as they could be on the contract wording and ii) the EU wasting time haggling the price down (at £2 or 3 a dose who cares!) and resultingly the EU factories being not up to speed.

For once Bojo has actually got his act together. About time...

The EU are going to have to be realistic. The UK is clearly holding most of the cards here, and is the only party not at fault.

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Old 29.01.2021, 13:50
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Today’s figures

1916 new cases
110 new hospitalisations
50 deaths
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https://www.covid19.admin.ch/fr/overview
that's a 6.5% positivity rate. lowest since quite a while.
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Old 29.01.2021, 13:53
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No I don't, I haven't seen even one.

Intentionally kill the markets your own economy depends on for exports. Excellent strategy, especially if you're as export-dependent as China.

So, what DID these people collapse/die of? Where's the follow-up?

You do realise, hopefully, that every day people collapse, die, in very unusual situations in a population anywhere between 10 and 50 million people.
If you haven't seen a video, then you won't be aware just how many were being uploaded on to social media a year ago. There were more than enough though for it to merely be just "people collapsing every day" though. If you're good at searching, you can go back over this thread, if I remember correctly there were links also posted here.

What DID these people collapse/die of? Good question! This is what I'm also asking myself. As we've not seen anything like that on this side of the world, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that they were staged. We're almost certainly never going to find out, especially given that the WHO team currently in China to investigate the outbreak is only given data and information that is state approved.

You say it wouldn't be wise to kill your export markets if you were China, and I would normally agree. However look at the results now, the West is seeped in debt and recession whereas life carries on in China and their economy continues to grow (allegedly).

I try not to buy into conspiracy theories, but you have to agree the outcome of this virus could not have been better for an ambitious China. I err away from the theory that this was planned though, as no one could ever have foreseen that Western democracies would react in the way they did by locking down their populations less so get away with it. It's for the same reason that I don't buy into the Great Reset conspiracy theory too, the scale of planning and involvement required makes it very unlikely.

That the Covid pandemic could be exploited by China, or anyone else for that matter however, this is very possible, and indeed happening at this very moment!
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:01
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The UK govt ordered 370 million vaccine doses across all the companies in the game. That's far more than was needed but they, as I've said, gambled and "won" this time. They didn't wait or mess around. Am no fan of BoJo et al but for once they were on the ball.
Indeed. I just hope it isn't all messed up by delaying second doses.
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:05
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I think the efficacy needed for the vaccine approval is even less than 60%. This level of protection should be enough for most people.
The flu vaccine is usually much less than 60% effective.
60% effectiveness is already pretty good protection.
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:12
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They are northern hemisphere - so it should be the colder time of the year in India right? (Probably still warm though).
Yeah, baboon pointed that out already. My bad .

Still, it's kinda warm now and probably sunny. So if the point holds up as such it still has merit, albeit to a (much?) lesser degree. In that regard it would be useful to get regional data from the mountaneous regions, to see how much temperatures affect its spreading. Assuming they're comparable in the first place, as general wealth (-> living area and privacy, number of contacts in the home), population density and age structure will probably have an effect as well.
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:15
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...I have an excitable FB friend who always gets 'slightly ill', she has had at least 5 negative tests since April under 45 & not vulnerable .
Same. Hypochondriac under-40 friend who has had several negative tests and was so disappointed when she didn't have antibodies. But she swears she gets everything under the sun so it can't be right, she must have had covid and those tests were totally wrong.

Have you had another antibody test lately? I thought of it because of leonie's post below.

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I got my antibody test results — positive! Really happy with the results.
My numbers are quite different from my husband’s though.
He is 26.85 U/ml, and I am > 250 U/ml (norm 0,4 - >250 U/ml)

This is so strange. We are almost of the same age, live in the same household, probably got infected at the same time, got tested at the same time, and have such a different level of antibodies. How the vaccination can be monitored if people are able to make such a different level of antibodies? Or possibly with vaccines this will be more stable?
That's fascinating! How long since each of you was sick or did you not have any symptoms? Sorry, I'm sure you mentioned it somewhere but this is a monstrous thread.

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But it is also obliged to send the doses made in the UK to the UK first... AZ may have got itself into a pickle.
That wouldn't suprise me. Vaccine companies and governments wanted to sign contracts as quickly as possible. Maybe AZ overestimated what it could produce. It's possible AZ signed two contracts that are both binding, but the company can't meet the demands of one contract without compromising the other.
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:47
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Now being able to get only AZ vaccine in Switzerland would be even more pitiful:

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Novartis announced today that it has signed an initial agreement to leverage its manufacturing capacity and capabilities in order to address the COVID-19 pandemic by supporting the production of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. The agreement will see Novartis utilizing its aseptic manufacturing facilities at its site in Stein, Switzerland.

Under the terms of the contract manufacturing agreement, Novartis plans to take bulk mRNA active ingredient from BioNTech and fill this into vials under aseptic conditions for shipment back to BioNTech for their distribution to healthcare system customers around the world.

Subject to reaching a final agreement, Novartis plans to commence production in the second quarter of 2021 at its state-of-the art aseptic manufacturing plant in Stein. Initial shipment of finished product is expected in the third quarter.
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:52
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Looks like we are reaching the end of the lockdown period! I doubt the politicians will extend the lockdown if numbers keep falling.
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Old 29.01.2021, 14:55
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Looks like we are reaching the end of the lockdown period! I doubt the politicians will extend the lockdown if numbers keep falling.
New variant ...

I think we remain like this until well into March. More vaccinated. Weather will be improving.
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Old 29.01.2021, 15:05
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Have you had another antibody test lately? I thought of it because of leonie's post below.
I tried to get one at lunchtime today, they were closed & it looks as if they are only doing PCR tests now. I might pop back later to check, the note on the door was not totally clear.
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New variant ...

I think we remain like this until well into March. More vaccinated. Weather will be improving.
Considering recent news that British mutation is 30% deadlier as well as at least 30% more infectious and that there are 147 new cases of British mutation since yesterday (so, 10% of the total cases and growing) you are probably right. Also Moderna reported recently that their vaccine is less effective against South-African mutation. The news are not looking good right now, also the cases do not decrease rapidly, I would say. Today it's almost 2000 again.
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Old 29.01.2021, 15:32
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Looks like we are reaching the end of the lockdown period! I doubt the politicians will extend the lockdown if numbers keep falling.
End of 2nd lockdown, sorry.
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Old 29.01.2021, 15:38
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Considering recent news that British mutation is 30% deadlier as well as at least 30% more infectious and that there are 147 new cases of British mutation since yesterday (so, 10% of the total cases and growing) you are probably right. Also Moderna reported recently that their vaccine is less effective against South-African mutation. The news are not looking good right now, also the cases do not decrease rapidly, I would say. Today it's almost 2000 again.
This.

If you look back at the Bundesrat projections from a couple of weeks ago we are roughly where they expected. As we go through February, B.1.1.7 infections really take off and can screw things badly if we relax too early.

On the upside re the Moderna vaccine, "less effective" is not "not effective". IIRC protection was estimated at something like 70% which is still high enough to quash the pandemic, although I also noted that the relevant antibodies decline faster indicating a shorter immune period. I did just read that the company are planning a booster or modification.
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If you haven't seen a video, then you won't be aware just how many were being uploaded on to social media a year ago. There were more than enough though for it to merely be just "people collapsing every day" though. If you're good at searching, you can go back over this thread, if I remember correctly there were links also posted here.
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What DID these people collapse/die of? Good question! This is what I'm also asking myself.
Notice the position of the "dead". Basically all are on their back and all straight, almost like military personnel in Attention! position. That's not what people falling unconscious or dead commonly do, at the very least someone has put them in that position if they're actually uncoscious or dead.

In real life people will tend to fall forward and lie face down or on your side as a result, that's what physics generally demand when you drop while walking. Landing on the back is much more an exception rather than the rule.

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You say it wouldn't be wise to kill your export markets if you were China, and I would normally agree. However look at the results now, the West is seeped in debt and recession whereas life carries on in China and their economy continues to grow (allegedly).
US GDP seems to suffer for one year only, if even that. That would make it an utter failure if it were planned, what they'd be looking for is a lasting effect that increases the growth difference by multiple percentage points for many years. And as for indebtedness, did you ceck China's ?

Besides, nobody with even half a brain cell would plan to set the virus free in their own country, or without a vaccine at the ready. At the very least wait a year or two until you got one, Sinovac (a Chinese company) appears to have taken about one year. And then let it loose in a manner that lets it infect the west as much and far as possible, Italy and Spain have demonstrated the damage an unchecked virus can cause.
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I tried to get one at lunchtime today, they were closed & it looks as if they are only doing PCR tests now. I might pop back later to check, the note on the door was not totally clear.
Out of curiosity, who do you continue to go when you know you had Covid?
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That's fascinating! How long since each of you was sick or did you not have any symptoms? Sorry, I'm sure you mentioned it somewhere but this is a monstrous thread.
We both tested positive for the antibodies 6 months ago (in late July), and now have repeated the tests and are still positive. Both tests were offered for free by our company, they try to collect statistics on the infection. In summer they offered free tests for everybody, and now they offered the second test only to those who tested positive for the first time.

We don't know when we got infected, we were not sick. Looking back through the winter, we might have had a day or two with runny nose once in a while but never diagnosed with Covid. Our teenage son was diagnosed with Covid in August but everyone else in the family was tested negative.

My husband's colleague has let us know that last week he was tested antibody-positive with >250 U/ml, and he was sick in March but never diagnosed. In March he had greeted my husband with the handshake while slightly sick, so maybe we got it from him, but we can only guess.
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Old 29.01.2021, 16:16
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New variant ...

I think we remain like this until well into March. More vaccinated. Weather will be improving.
Not sure if Ueli Maurer will be happy about that.

I am too used to lockdown now, I don't think I can deal with no lockdown world any more. Stockholm syndrome?
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Old 29.01.2021, 16:35
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Out of curiosity, who do you continue to go when you know you had Covid?
To see if he still has antibodies and therefore some immunity I would imagine.
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The new vaccination centre about to open in Neuchâtel, will remain closed- as they have run out of vaccines.
Just to confirm what I said in my previous post, this is not the case.

The vaccine centre will open on Wednesday as planned but all the doses have already been allocated so they have suspended the online appointment system until they know when they will be receiving more doses. Everyone who has registered and received an appointment will be receiving their vaccine.
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