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Well, they were having outbreaks in schools in the UK due to the new mutation, and that's why they decided to close the schools there. Coincidentally, the # of new daily cases in the UK finally began to drop just after schools were closed there on January 4th.

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Is the peak just after New Year really not the result of unofficial family gatherings over the festive season?
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Is the peak just after New Year really not the result of unofficial family gatherings over the festive season?
Possibly... But it was already on a steep upward trend anyways, even prior to Christmas and New Year. 'Something' obviously happened to cause a shift in the pattern and create a sudden downward trend.
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The vaccines have been approved by Swissmedic to be used in accordance with the protocols given by the manufacturer, BAG can’t change that.
Vaud has already announced that it will have to stretch the gap between first and second dose to 6 weeks due to insufficient supply of the vaccine, I think that’s the most we can expect in Switzerland, they’re not going to deviate from the approved protocols by more than that.
My biggest wish now is to see that everyone who needs vaccinated actually gets vaccinated a.s.a.p and then of course everyone else a.s.a.p so we can all move on with our lives. We've been putting on hold so many things and that is just not fair.

Btw, have read somewhere that Europe is among the last places re. the number of vaccines done.

And in a country like CH, where we pay up to our nose even for the air we breath let alone health insurance?
I'm kind of sick entire to see we only have obligations here.
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Well, they were having outbreaks in schools in the UK due to the new mutation, and that's why they decided to close the schools there. Coincidentally, the # of new daily cases in the UK finally began to drop just after schools were closed there on January 4th.
Who says that it was due to the new mutation? Drosten supports the theory that all mutations are equally infectious among all age groups and the fact that there was an outbreak in schools was due to the fact that everything else was closed in Britain. Thus, the drop was die to the fact that the last source or infection was closed, but it has no relation to the mutations.
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And in a country like CH, where we pay up to our nose even for the air we breath let alone health insurance?
I'm kind of sick entire to see we only have obligations here.
I believe that Swiss authorities are doing everything possible. It seems that obtaining vaccines is just not a pure money question at the moment.

On the other hand, Austria is considering the possibility to produce Sputnik V. I hope Switzerland will not go that far.
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Old 07.02.2021, 11:21
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Who says that it was due to the new mutation? Drosten supports the theory that all mutations are equally infectious among all age groups and the fact that there was an outbreak in schools was due to the fact that everything else was closed in Britain. Thus, the drop was die to the fact that the last source or infection was closed, but it has no relation to the mutations.
Well, scientists understand why the new UK mutation is more contagious. It has to do with changes in the spike protein causing the virus to bind to cells more easily.

It doesn't really make sense to say or imply that outbreaks in schools only occurred because everything else was closed. That doesn't somehow negate the fact that outbreaks occurred in schools or that the # of new daily cases began to decline once schools were closed in the UK.

A bit similarly, schools in Germany were closed on December 16th, and a decline in the # of new cases finally began to occur after that.

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It doesn't really make sense to say or imply that outbreaks in schools only occurred because everything else was closed.
What Drosten says is that the studies of British scientists do not show that the new mutation is especially more contagious among certain age groups.

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A bit similarly, schools in Germany were closed on December 16th, and a decline in the # of new cases finally began to occur after that.
You imply that British mutation was already that spread In German schools in the middle of December?
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Old 07.02.2021, 11:47
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What Drosten says is that the studies of British scientists do not show that the new mutation is especially more contagious among certain age groups.


You imply that British mutation was already that spread In German schools in the middle of December?
No, that was in reference to the effect of school closures on the # of new cases in general (not just the mutation). There have been plenty of studies showing that the virus in general is easily transmissible among kids and has a higher viral load among kids, but the problem with the new mutation is that it's making more kids symptomatic (as opposed to asymptomatic) which in turn equates to being more transmissible among kids due to the sneezing, coughing, etc. and the fact that the mutation binds to cells more easily, causing an increased viral load.

I'm not aware of any studies that have found the UK variant to NOT be more contagious among kids or more contagious in general. Only the opposite.

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/wi...chools/2021/01

"A report from the British government’s Children’s Task and Finish Group found that children ages 2 to 16 in that country were twice as likely to pass on the virus than adults, and 12- to 16-year-olds were seven times more likely than those over 16 to be the first person in their household to test positive for the virus. Tan noted that some research suggests these infected children tend to have higher viral loads than adults, even when they do not show symptoms.

“The way that the U.K. scientists found out that this [new strain] seems to be transmitted more easily in children, is that at the time when this variant appeared, there weren’t a lot of other venues open except for schools,” Tan said. “That’s when they saw that there was much more transmission among children.”


So basically, when you take kids who already tend to have a heavier viral load and are more likely to pass the virus on than adults are and then combine that with a new mutation that causes an even heavier viral load and more symptoms to appear in kids, it can be a dangerous mix in terms of how quickly or easily the virus spreads.
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What Drosten says is that the studies of British scientists do not show that the new mutation is especially more contagious among certain age groups.


You imply that British mutation was already that spread In German schools in the middle of December?
I am sure it was, I originally had COVID a month before it was supposed to be in Europe.
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I believe that Swiss authorities are doing everything possible. It seems that obtaining vaccines is just not a pure money question at the moment.

On the other hand, Austria is considering the possibility to produce Sputnik V. I hope Switzerland will not go that far.
Switzerland is doing pretty well in comparison to most of Western Europe.
The biggest issue for everyone at the moment is the supply problem.
There is high demand and the vaccine manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up with it.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/
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Switzerland is doing pretty well in comparison to most of Western Europe.
The biggest issue for everyone at the moment is the supply problem.
There is high demand and the vaccine manufacturers are having a hard time keeping up with it.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/
Less than 1/4 as well as the UK, hardly something the Swiss should be proud of. Marginally better than Italy, a country I always thought was chaotic as far as organisation goes.
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No, that was in reference to the effect of school closures on the # of new cases in general (not just the mutation).
But who are you arguing with? Drosten was always a supporter of this idea. That's why I'm very thankful that he doesn't live in Switzerland.

The only related link that is present in this issue of the podcast is this. Unfortunately, it contains only numbers without interpretation.

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So basically, when you take kids who already tend to have a heavier viral load
Very arguable, even among the supporters of the idea of the fact that kids spread the infection.

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But that the other words of saying that the new mutation itself does not affect the kids population disproportionally, no?

Following your theory more symptoms appearing in kids is better for us than asymptomatic kids who don't know that they are ill ang go to school?
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Is the peak just after New Year really not the result of unofficial family gatherings over the festive season?
+1
a lot of countries has cases dropped after NY
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But who are you arguing with? Drosten was always a supporter of this idea. That's why I'm very thankful that he doesn't live in Switzerland.

The only related link that is present in this issue of the podcast is this. Unfortunately, it contains only numbers without interpretation.


Very arguable, even among the supporters of the idea of the fact that kids spread the infection.


But that the other words of saying that the new mutation itself does not affect the kids population disproportionally, no?

Following your theory more symptoms appearing in kids is better for us than asymptomatic kids who don't know that they are ill ang go to school?
Well, I guess people will interpret data however it suits them sometimes. And the fact is, there has been a lot of conflicting data out there. Remember a year ago when the authorities were telling everyone to not wear masks because they don't help? And now they're saying the very opposite and masks are mandatory in most or many countries across the world.

I think our understanding of this virus -- and now especially with these new mutations -- is constantly evolving, and so it's good to not have any beliefs 'set in stone' because of that. We need to update our operating systems sometimes.
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And the fact is, there has been a lot of conflicting data out there. Remember a year ago when the authorities were telling everyone to not wear masks because they don't help? And now they're saying the very opposite and masks are mandatory in most or many countries across the world.
it still doesnt means that masks helps to stop pandemic.
same for schools closing: everyone looking at cases graphs, which still means close to nothing, and put some random data on them (holidays, schools closures, mandate mask wearing, lockdowns etc) and made some random conclusion based on that
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My biggest wish now is to see that everyone who needs vaccinated actually gets vaccinated a.s.a.p and then of course everyone else a.s.a.p so we can all move on with our lives. We've been putting on hold so many things and that is just not fair.

Btw, have read somewhere that Europe is among the last places re. the number of vaccines done.

And in a country like CH, where we pay up to our nose even for the air we breathe let alone health insurance?
I'm kind of sick entire to see we only have obligations here.
Hope your wish is granted but the Zürich area seems to be just creeping along.
Theoretically, I am in the highest priority group but I have heard nothing. According to my Gemeinde "Patients are summoned for vaccination by their attending physician. Online registration is currently not possible."
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Bloody vaccines don't work against SA variant (sorry if this has already been mentioned) https://www.ft.com/content/e9bbd4fe-...3-be64140a3f36

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I believe that Swiss authorities are doing everything possible. It seems that obtaining vaccines is just not a pure money question at the moment.

On the other hand, Austria is considering the possibility to produce Sputnik V. I hope Switzerland will not go that far.
Sputnik V has shown good efficacy in the interim analysis and now being registered for the approval in EU.

There is another promising Russian vaccine EpiVacCorona

The EpiVacCorona vaccine contains fragments extracted from the virus synthetic peptide antigens. I am very interested in the future phase 3 results of this vaccine, when they run the study.
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Bloody vaccines don't work against SA variant (sorry if this has already been mentioned) https://www.ft.com/content/e9bbd4fe-...3-be64140a3f36

Not true:

"Oxford-AstraZeneca's vaccine offers "minimal protection" against mild disease from the South Africa variant, scientists say early trials suggest.

A new study, not yet peer reviewed, involved about 2,000 people who were on average 31 years old.

But Prof Sarah Gilbert, Oxford lead vaccine developer, said vaccines should still protect against severe disease."

No mention of the other types.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55967767

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Not true:

"Oxford-AstraZeneca's vaccine offers "minimal protection" against mild disease from the South Africa variant, scientists say early trials suggest.

A new study, not yet peer reviewed, involved about 2,000 people who were on average 31 years old.

But Prof Sarah Gilbert, Oxford lead vaccine developer, said vaccines should still protect against severe disease."

No mention of the other types.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55967767

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"Sarah Gilbert, lead researcher on the Oxford Vaccine Development Programme, told the BBC on Sunday that she was hopeful the jab would still prove effective in preventing severe illness."

- They don't know, because the trial population were unlikely to get severe disease anyway.

"Moderna has said it will test a booster shot and a reformulated vaccine to target the South African variant, after studies showed its vaccine was significantly less effective."
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