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Excellent news!

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Come on, two or more months of this light lockdown will do good, my sex toys online shops sales are taking off and I don't want this lockdown to ever end
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Old 08.02.2021, 11:09
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Well - provided that the existing vaccines prevent hospitalisation and deaths of the new variant (data tbc but promising I believe) then it may be possible to manage a much higher caseload than we are now - possibly with a herd immunity strategy if the death rate gets low enough - say under 0.1%.
And hospitalization rates. So far we have seen a total hospitalization rate of 4.3% across all age groups. The rate for age below 70 is 2%.

Let us assume all above 70 would be vaccinated. If you then open up fast and/or see a big caseload because of mutations, hospitals will look very crap very fast. At 15000 cases per day, this is 300 hospitalizations per day with a 2% rate. Peak in hospitalizations so far was on 2nd Nov with 293, but the 7-day average was never higher than 225.

One person, one shot is what appears to be obvious, if indeed one shot efficacy is 80%ish.
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Old 08.02.2021, 11:12
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Re: Coronavirus

https://lockdown-stop.ch/

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Old 08.02.2021, 11:18
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He played with people's lives by risking a move that had no scientific basis at the time and was unrecommended by the manufacturers. Even if it turns to be a good outcome, it was still an unacceptable move whose sole intent was to pump up figures to build up his popularity after the whole debacle of his government's terrible handling of the crisis that is still keeping Britons quarantined at home.
Far be it for me to defend Eton's best, but BoJo had no alternative to use the "speedboat" and vaccinate and try and enforce a strict lockdown.

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The UK's holy cow, the National Health Service (NHS). It is bad enough without a pandemic. Now with these measures routine operations and treatments are stopped and delayed, but without early vaccine and lockdowns, there would be people dying in the streets, gasping for air, as hospitals would be totally overwhelmed...
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Old 08.02.2021, 11:19
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Re: Coronavirus

Only problem is the research was done in UK,FR, DE, Iran, IT, NL, ES, USA, South Korea, and Sweden and this is Switzerland To be honest, I don't follow the mental contortions of this kind of politicians of when CH is in Europe and when it is not.

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Die im angesehenen Wissenschaftsjournal „European Journal of Clinical Investigation“ publizierte Studie „Assessing Mandatory Stay‐at‐Home and Business Closure Effects on the Spread of COVID‐19“ untersuchte die Effekte eines restriktiven Lockdowns in mehreren Europäischen Ländern. Es konnte kein signifikanter, positiver Effekt gefunden werden.
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Relieved we finally got appointment for H's vaccination at the end of the month- a couple of weeks before his 75th BD. Pheeew.
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Old 08.02.2021, 11:26
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They had 50k supporters, now almost 100k! Time to start an opposing website-

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Old 08.02.2021, 11:36
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And hospitalization rates. So far we have seen a total hospitalization rate of 4.3% across all age groups. The rate for age below 70 is 2%.

Let us assume all above 70 would be vaccinated. If you then open up fast and/or see a big caseload because of mutations, hospitals will look very crap very fast. At 15000 cases per day, this is 300 hospitalizations per day with a 2% rate. Peak in hospitalizations so far was on 2nd Nov with 293, but the 7-day average was never higher than 225.

One person, one shot is what appears to be obvious, if indeed one shot efficacy is 80%ish.
Oh agreed. We'd need at least the existing vaccine in at least the middle aged (say 50 plus) to even consider opening up - and that would rely on the existing vaccine being pretty good at preventing hospitalization and death of the new variant.

Realistically summer is the earliest possible.
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Old 08.02.2021, 12:20
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Well - provided that the existing vaccines prevent hospitalisation and deaths of the new variant (data tbc but promising I believe) then it may be possible to manage a much higher caseload than we are now - possibly with a herd immunity strategy if the death rate gets low enough - say under 0.1%.
Today's Daily Telegraph (UK broadsheet) has the following:

"The suggestions remain strong that serious illness arising from the (South African) variant requiring hospitalisation or leading to death is still prevented (by the AstraZeneca vaccine)."
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Old 08.02.2021, 12:36
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I feel we need to give up on the AZ vaccine and work on finding the ones that are the most effective.

South Africa Stops Use of AstraZeneca Vaccine

The vaccine, developed with Oxford, was found not to prevent the virus variant rampant in South Africa from causing mild or moderate disease.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/02...19-coronavirus
I saw an American chiropractor who works in France on Saturday, she specifically only wants the AZ one as she believe it's more likely to prevent her spreading COVID to her patients, no idea if she has a point or not.
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Anti-lockdown are the loudest and populist parties and they try really hard to stand out but they are minority. I really wish that anti-lockdown crowd would launch the referendum on this matter because I already know of at least 5 people who will vote against lifting (including myself) and only one who will most likely vote for it.
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Anti-lockdown are the loudest and populist parties and they try really hard to stand out but they are minority. I really wish that anti-lockdown crowd would launch the referendum on this matter because I already know of at least 5 people who will vote against lifting (including myself) and only one who will most likely vote for it.
Doesn't your vote depend on the situation at the time of the vote? It's in summer right?

I think its hard to know what the right thing to do then this early.
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Old 08.02.2021, 13:08
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Anti-lockdown are the loudest and populist parties and they try really hard to stand out but they are minority.
They aren't the minority around here, I don't know anyone who favors the pseudo-lockdown.

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They aren't the minority around here, I don't know anyone who favors the pseudo-lockdown.

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Tom, you live in a rather small bubble.

I think it is best to keep things as is until the end of March - or re-open businesses and have schools carry out distance learning.
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I don't mind if you open the businesses next week and close the schools for two weeks. We have school holidays anyway.
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I don't mind if you open the businesses next week and close the schools for two weeks. We have school holidays anyway.
That would be great as we are in need of some new furniture, which I dont want to click & collect....
I know, I know first world problem and all that..
It still would be great though

Dreaming on!
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This is a very positive development! Having been marginalised for so long people are finally waking up and realising the true cost of these dangerous and ineffective interventions.

There's still a long way to go, but the movement is gathering pace. The more people see the pictures coming in from places like Florida and Sweden the more they'll realise that the approach needs to change.
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Todays published numbers for fri, sat & sun combined are 3280 out of 66 k tests

143 hospitalisations
50 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

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3775 new infections
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63152. Tests

That three days fri-sun
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Relieved we finally got appointment for H's vaccination at the end of the month- a couple of weeks before his 75th BD. Pheeew.
Great news! Hope it goes well for him.
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"Canton doctor expects the measures to be extended until May
The Basel canton doctor Thomas Steffen addresses the population with a Twitter thread telling them to persevere: because easing at the end of February is unrealistic."

https://www.20min.ch/story/kantonsar...i-943413327969
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