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But travel restrictions still apply from countries on risk list (ie 3rd country nationals banned).

Unlike the U.K. who despite vaccinating many people, are today going to announce that travellers entering need 3 PCR test. -72hrs, +2 days & +8 days apparently. That makes visiting totally unaffordable and unworkable
Indeed, I was thinking from the perspective of EFers. Either CH passport or residence permit. I still see most of the world in white in the BAG/OFSP map. For example, possible to catch a bit of sun in Greece and return to CH without quarantine. Albeit, 7 day quarantine at the beach hotel.
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Most people don't get the virus.

Most people who get the virus don't get sick from it.

Most people who get sick from it don't get seriously ill.

Most people who get seriously ill don't die from it.

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Until the virus mutates into a strain that will get more people infected and will get more people sick and will get more people seriously ill and so on...

Yes, only a minority of people will actually die of Covid, even if we all will get it at some point. The question always has been what is an acceptable proportion of people dying of Covid and the actions we take until we have an efficient vaccine defense (if ever).

Evidently for some people waiting for a bit longer is a bit much when put in balance with some stranger's life (and even if eventually it's their own life at stake).
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Until the virus mutates into a strain that will get more people infected and will get more people sick and will get more people seriously ill and so on...
or virus will mutate to a strain, making current vaccines ineffective, and while companies will develop/produce new vaccines, virus will mutate again...and again...
and the life so long and full of surprises, we can wait...who cares
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:06
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So a time for important Eastern European Front updates: According to a survey I read this morning a 1/3 of CZ wfm folks work in their PJs. 14% are negatively affected by also having to homeschool. Some of the lockdowned compatriots are happy at home, less stressed and the routine to use to de-stress is apparently: cleaning, cooking, diy and walks in nature. It is expected to get worse - around cca 400 deaths per day depending on the arrival of the new strains. All shops but food are closed, schools closed, no culture nor sport for anyone. They think of closing off our version of the "cantons". So...no matter what measures, the news aren't so good. Cca 8000 cases per day. Stresses me out, yes, as you can imagine. People are mostly patient but not trusting the leadership that much.
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:14
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So a time for important Eastern European Front updates: According to a survey I read this morning a 1/3 of CZ wfm folks work in their PJs. 14% are negatively affected by also having to homeschool. Some of the lockdowned compatriots are happy at home, less stressed and the routine to use to de-stress is apparently: cleaning, cooking, diy and walks in nature. It is expected to get worse - around cca 400 deaths per day depending on the arrival of the new strains. All shops but food are closed, schools closed, no culture nor sport for anyone. They think of closing off our version of the "cantons". So...no matter what measures, the news aren't so good. Cca 8000 cases per day. Stresses me out, yes, as you can imagine. People are mostly patient but not trusting the leadership that much.
8000 cases per day can be a little or a lot, what's the rate per million people?
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But the historical view also reveals something hopeful. In spring 1919 the Spanish flu reappeared in a relatively mild third wave – and then disappeared. “The acute phases of pandemics also pass at some point,” Staub said.
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:19
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Indeed, the virus and its mutations it's a bit like gambling. The virus hit the billions jackpot about a year ago. But gamblers never quit gambling (mutating), these days it's more probable that the virus mutates into irrelevance before getting worse.

Of course, it's not the most motivational discourse for a lot of people. Anyway, some events don't fit linear epic narratives.
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8000 cases per day can be a little or a lot, what's the rate per million people?
Czech republic is a little over 10 million, so around the 700-800 per million per day.
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:32
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Czech republic is a little over 10 million, so around the 700-800 per million per day.
WTF? The peak rate was 120-130 new cases per million per day in CH by the end of last October. If everyone is supposedly at home, how is it possible?
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:32
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WTF? The peak rate was 120-130 new cases per million per day in CH by the end of last October. If everyone is supposedly at home, how is it possible?
It is per 100k

Edit: Forget it, I mixed up weekly per 100k and daily per million.

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Old 09.02.2021, 12:38
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It is per 100k
Duh! Thanks. So, the magnitude of the peaks is comparable.

What's not comparable is over CZ they had another peak a couple weeks after Christmas and another peak brewing right now.
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I think this explaines the open schools, no matter what theories are out there on kids being the vectors or not. It looks like no matter what - the virus rips through the population in a certain way.

Slovakian Director of public transport has asked people to not talk in public transport, a few days ago. Makes sense, people focus on big measures but forget that mainly physical closeness and shared aerosols are the worst. I read somewhere that surfaces aren't as infectious as previously thought.

The trains were slammed again this morning. And they announce before the train pulls in that they are providing "a shorter service". Like....mkay. I watch people wait patiently on the platform, get in the train, get comfortable and blow their nose. Really?
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I watch people wait patiently on the platform, get in the train, get comfortable and blow their nose. Really?
Don't you have that effect that your nose starts running immediately after you come from cold air to the warm room?
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Old 09.02.2021, 13:02
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Don't you have that effect that your nose starts running immediately after you come from cold air to the warm room?
Cmon, some wait with seating and do it in the culoir, at least that.

But no - my nose got good since I've started taking cold showers. Desperate times need desperate measures.
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Don't you have that effect that your nose starts running immediately after you come from cold air to the warm room?
Me every single time I walk into the shop from outdoors and put my mask on. It is a terrible feeling... even my eyes start to weep / makeup starts smearing and I walk out of the shops looking like the joker.
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Me every single time I walk into the shop from outdoors and put my mask on. It is a terrible feeling... even my eyes start to weep / makeup starts smearing and I walk out of the shops looking like the joker.
also nice if you wear a glasses
for some time you just disoriented totally
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Todays published numbers are 1363 out of 24 k tests

68 hospitalisations
42 death

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Today’s numbers

1633. new cases
90. Hospitalisations
46 Deaths
25279 tests
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Todays published numbers are 1363 out of 24 k tests

68 hospitalisations
42 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

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Not much change from last week then. We seem to be stagnating at this level now. On the upside at least it’s not increasing.

There was an article in the local paper today recommending double masks to combat the new variants, a surgical mask covered by a cloth one. Sounds horrendous to me, I can’t imagine doing that for any length of time.
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There was an article in the local paper today recommending double masks to combat the new variants, a surgical mask covered by a cloth one. Sounds horrendous to me, I can’t imagine doing that for any length of time.
I've read the same in the US news, a few politicians did it at the inauguration and I think it is just getting ridiculous. I can barely breathe through one normal mask, god forbid you make me wear two.

Apparently the Brazilian variant has reached Switzerland ... oh joy.

https://www.20min.ch/story/sagen-die...d-932366507408
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Not much change from last week then. We seem to be stagnating at this level now. On the upside at least it’s not increasing.

There was an article in the local paper today recommending double masks to combat the new variants, a surgical mask covered by a cloth one. Sounds horrendous to me, I can’t imagine doing that for any length of time.
I'd say it shows a continuous downwards trend. There consistently appears to be about 10-15% less compared to the previous week. I'm happy with the downward trend.

I'm also trying to be optimistic.
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