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Tom, you live in a rather small bubble.

I think it is best to keep things as is until the end of March - or re-open businesses and have schools carry out distance learning.
Before the new British variant it wasn't the schools that were "at fault". Kids have a relatively small bubble they live in - class colleagues, some of which are their closest friends too, a couple of friends, parents, siblings. They see everyday the same people. They usually walk to school.
Of course, that might have changed or could change now.
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Old 09.02.2021, 10:24
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You mean choosing to die.
Most people don't get the virus.

Most people who get the virus don't get sick from it.

Most people who get sick from it don't get seriously ill.

Most people who get seriously ill don't die from it.

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There are over a hundred kids from five classes in three schools in Neuchâtel in quarantine due to 8 cases of the British variant being detected. Close contacts and family are also isolating.
They involve two secondary schools and one post obligatory school so kids between 12 and 18 years old.
I imagine other areas are observing similar scenarios.

In this context it is really hard to read on 'ski groups' about people planning to come at Easter, and planning every trick in the book to try and beat rules and regulations- because they just have to ski or die.
I am a very keen skier, been skiing since I was 18 months or so- and it was always our main holiday as a family- but this year will be the first without a family ski holiday- and the second without seeing family at all, so it really ***ses me off big time, massively.

And yes, I do intend to go skiing, because as a Swiss resident, I can. Will go off-peak, mid week, self catering and be very careful.
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Old 09.02.2021, 10:43
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Re: Coronavirus

Just read about this and was very surprised

''People with gum disease who catch Covid are nine more likely to die, warns a new study.

Covid-19 patients are three times more likely to end up in intensive care or on a ventilator if they already suffer from periodontitis, a serious form of gum disease, according to the findings.''
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Re: Coronavirus

All people who don't get the virus don't die from the virus.
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Old 09.02.2021, 10:48
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All people who don't get the virus don't die from the virus.
That's encouraging. Thanks.
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Old 09.02.2021, 11:03
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Re: Coronavirus

Just checked the new travel restrictions valid since yesterday. It's possible to return to CH without quarantine by plane from any country which is not in the list of risk countries. All is needed is a negative PCR test 72 hours before boarding the plane and filling a form

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...nreisende.html
https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/inte...nal/quarantine

So, air travel is open.....to all people with CH passport or residence permit.

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Just checked the new travel restrictions valid since yesterday. It's possible to return to CH without quarantine by plane from any country which is not in the list of risk countries. All is needed is a negative PCR test 72 hours before boarding the plane and filling a form

https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...nreisende.html
https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/inte...nal/quarantine

So, air travel is open.
But travel restrictions still apply from countries on risk list (ie 3rd country nationals banned).

Unlike the U.K. who despite vaccinating many people, are today going to announce that travellers entering need 3 PCR test. -72hrs, +2 days & +8 days apparently. That makes visiting totally unaffordable and unworkable
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Old 09.02.2021, 11:26
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But travel restrictions still apply from countries on risk list (ie 3rd country nationals banned).

Unlike the U.K. who despite vaccinating many people, are today going to announce that travellers entering need 3 PCR test. -72hrs, +2 days & +8 days apparently. That makes visiting totally unaffordable and unworkable
Indeed, I was thinking from the perspective of EFers. Either CH passport or residence permit. I still see most of the world in white in the BAG/OFSP map. For example, possible to catch a bit of sun in Greece and return to CH without quarantine. Albeit, 7 day quarantine at the beach hotel.
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Most people don't get the virus.

Most people who get the virus don't get sick from it.

Most people who get sick from it don't get seriously ill.

Most people who get seriously ill don't die from it.

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Until the virus mutates into a strain that will get more people infected and will get more people sick and will get more people seriously ill and so on...

Yes, only a minority of people will actually die of Covid, even if we all will get it at some point. The question always has been what is an acceptable proportion of people dying of Covid and the actions we take until we have an efficient vaccine defense (if ever).

Evidently for some people waiting for a bit longer is a bit much when put in balance with some stranger's life (and even if eventually it's their own life at stake).
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Until the virus mutates into a strain that will get more people infected and will get more people sick and will get more people seriously ill and so on...
or virus will mutate to a strain, making current vaccines ineffective, and while companies will develop/produce new vaccines, virus will mutate again...and again...
and the life so long and full of surprises, we can wait...who cares
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:06
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Re: Coronavirus

So a time for important Eastern European Front updates: According to a survey I read this morning a 1/3 of CZ wfm folks work in their PJs. 14% are negatively affected by also having to homeschool. Some of the lockdowned compatriots are happy at home, less stressed and the routine to use to de-stress is apparently: cleaning, cooking, diy and walks in nature. It is expected to get worse - around cca 400 deaths per day depending on the arrival of the new strains. All shops but food are closed, schools closed, no culture nor sport for anyone. They think of closing off our version of the "cantons". So...no matter what measures, the news aren't so good. Cca 8000 cases per day. Stresses me out, yes, as you can imagine. People are mostly patient but not trusting the leadership that much.
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:14
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So a time for important Eastern European Front updates: According to a survey I read this morning a 1/3 of CZ wfm folks work in their PJs. 14% are negatively affected by also having to homeschool. Some of the lockdowned compatriots are happy at home, less stressed and the routine to use to de-stress is apparently: cleaning, cooking, diy and walks in nature. It is expected to get worse - around cca 400 deaths per day depending on the arrival of the new strains. All shops but food are closed, schools closed, no culture nor sport for anyone. They think of closing off our version of the "cantons". So...no matter what measures, the news aren't so good. Cca 8000 cases per day. Stresses me out, yes, as you can imagine. People are mostly patient but not trusting the leadership that much.
8000 cases per day can be a little or a lot, what's the rate per million people?
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:15
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But the historical view also reveals something hopeful. In spring 1919 the Spanish flu reappeared in a relatively mild third wave – and then disappeared. “The acute phases of pandemics also pass at some point,” Staub said.
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Old 09.02.2021, 12:19
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Re: Coronavirus

Indeed, the virus and its mutations it's a bit like gambling. The virus hit the billions jackpot about a year ago. But gamblers never quit gambling (mutating), these days it's more probable that the virus mutates into irrelevance before getting worse.

Of course, it's not the most motivational discourse for a lot of people. Anyway, some events don't fit linear epic narratives.
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8000 cases per day can be a little or a lot, what's the rate per million people?
Czech republic is a little over 10 million, so around the 700-800 per million per day.
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Czech republic is a little over 10 million, so around the 700-800 per million per day.
WTF? The peak rate was 120-130 new cases per million per day in CH by the end of last October. If everyone is supposedly at home, how is it possible?
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WTF? The peak rate was 120-130 new cases per million per day in CH by the end of last October. If everyone is supposedly at home, how is it possible?
It is per 100k

Edit: Forget it, I mixed up weekly per 100k and daily per million.

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It is per 100k
Duh! Thanks. So, the magnitude of the peaks is comparable.

What's not comparable is over CZ they had another peak a couple weeks after Christmas and another peak brewing right now.
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Re: Coronavirus

I think this explaines the open schools, no matter what theories are out there on kids being the vectors or not. It looks like no matter what - the virus rips through the population in a certain way.

Slovakian Director of public transport has asked people to not talk in public transport, a few days ago. Makes sense, people focus on big measures but forget that mainly physical closeness and shared aerosols are the worst. I read somewhere that surfaces aren't as infectious as previously thought.

The trains were slammed again this morning. And they announce before the train pulls in that they are providing "a shorter service". Like....mkay. I watch people wait patiently on the platform, get in the train, get comfortable and blow their nose. Really?
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