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I'm desperate to get back home - but it's not looking good any time soon.

My travel criteria are:

My 90 year old mother is vaccinated.
My brother, who she depends on, is vaccinated.
I am vaccinated.
Quarantine (US/CH/DE) is no longer an issue.

So far, only the first has happened. Or half-happened. Mom has had the first dose, second soon.

I just can't in good conscience do anything that could put either my mother or brother at risk. And travel still presents too much risk, IMO. If my mother were to become ill, triage plans say that at 90 years old she won't even be admitted to hospital. Hopefully with her vax'd that worry lessens. But if my brother were to become ill there would be no one to care for Mom. I just can't do anything that could put them in that situation.

The way the roll-out is going both here and in Illinois I dont anticipate either my brother or I getting the vax before September. I hope that's September 2021.

With quarantine dog care is impossible - and thus travel is impossible.

We recently had to re-book one of the tickets from last year or lose the credit, so we took a chance and booked Thanksgiving. I hope I haven't just jinxed myself.

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All my time living abroad I've counted on being able to hop on a plane and be home in 24 hours. This past year not being able to be where I need to be has put the whole family structure under immense pressure. Everyone is just treading water... but I don't know how much longer we can hold out.
It’s so good to see people taking this this as seriously as it should be. It’s even killing me emotionally to not see my daughter regularly - every 6 weeks - who lives just 40 mins away by train here in Switzerland - her other half is in the police, so although she’s able to home office, he has to be out and about. Luckily, the police also will also now issue FFP2 masks to their force.

It’s a bit sickening to hear the holidayers coming back from their 2 week ski vacation around here.

But all my “thinking” acquaintances or friends have acted also responsibly from the outset.

We all suffer the same, and it’s horrible. I truly can’t comprehend why some just choose to ignore it, so they can snowboarden or shoppen as usual. Or of course, just continue to be ignorant.
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Old 27.02.2021, 19:11
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Itís so good to see people taking this this as seriously as it should be. Itís even killing me emotionally to not see my daughter regularly - every 6 weeks - who lives just 40 mins away by train here in Switzerland
Why can't you see her?

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Old 27.02.2021, 19:39
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Why can't you see her?

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Thanks for your question: Because we take the current pandemic seriously, and have since it was even a rumor. We were one of the first wearing a mask to the office / University. Funnily enough, it's now a trend. Oh, let's see, maybe even been officially mandated.

I remember so well the stupid discussions taking place on English Forum at that time. Do you really feel a need to turn back the clock?

She's had to work her first job after finishing her masters (during COVID related restrictions), from home office. Luckily, she secured this job already end 2019 - some of her Uni colleagues subsequently had a really tough time looking for a job on-line, and others are still looking.

I hear from EF members about how many people they know have been infected by Covid 19 - good for them!

I'm not one of them, as far as I know. And given the all the side effects including death, many long-term impacts or the risk of quarantine - neither of us fancy any of these options.

We are pretty much too interested in getting on with our lives healthily, with sport, studies, work (but am personally now early retired) etc. And that will never happen for anyone, if there are still Corona idiots around.

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Old 27.02.2021, 19:55
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Yes, but how does that prevent you from seeing each other (as long as you are less than 5 (now 15))?

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Old 27.02.2021, 20:02
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Yes, but how does that prevent you from seeing each other (as long as you are less than 5 (now 15))?

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Or outside, keeping a distance. Would love to see my family but can't. Even from a balcony, like last time I managed to see them, a year ago.
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Old 27.02.2021, 20:08
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Yes, but how does that prevent you from seeing each other (as long as you are less than 5 (now 15))?

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I don’t really understand your question Tom.

We can travel as much as we want on public Transport (OV), or see whoever we want. But it it is just a matter of choice. No-one will control either how many people you see, or how you get together.

It’s just a matter of personal choice, as to whether you want to get infected and/or pass it on, within the circumstances of the current pandemic.
No problem, just waiting for my vaccination (preferably neither the Astra Zeneca nor the Sputnik one).
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Island Monkey and all - how I feel the same. Not seen daughters and grandchildren and new adoptive grandson since last February- and out flat in the UK has been empty since November 2019!

There was a window in August when we could have gone, but they said it's too early, to wait for end October- then November- then ... Easter, and now ...

WHEN OH WHEN?

Melon, when we moved here, we knew we could just throw everything and the dog in the car, anytime, and drive- 8 hours to the Tunnel- then 1 hour and a bit to one daughter, 1.30 to the other, and 1.30 to our flat. Any day, any time- whenever we felt like it. Or if going on my own- fast train to Paris, taxi to change station, and on to London- in a day- or flight in a few hours. I would have never ever moved unless it was so. They are all so close ... and yet now, so far. My grandson has gone from little boy to 6'2 teeenager in the meantime!

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Old 27.02.2021, 21:24
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Yes, but how does that prevent you from seeing each other (as long as you are less than 5 (now 15))?

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I guess ZuriRollt is saying it doesn't; it was a poor choice of words. She just chooses not to take any risks by travelling to her daughter at the moment.

I'm not sure why her daughter can't travel to see her (from a distance), though.
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Old 27.02.2021, 22:12
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I guess ZuriRollt is saying it doesn't; it was a poor choice of words. She just chooses not to take any risks by travelling to her daughter at the moment.

I'm not sure why her daughter can't travel to see her (from a distance), though.
If you canít understand English, then I guess you shouldnít be here
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Old 27.02.2021, 22:16
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If you canít understand English, then I guess you shouldnít be here
Oh dear!
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Old 27.02.2021, 22:26
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If you can’t understand English, then I guess you shouldn’t be here
At the risk of running interference (with the best intentions of course)...I actually took 22yards comments as constructive/positive ZuriRolt. I thought he was trying to help. My apologies if I misinterpreted; I don't know your past history...
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Old 28.02.2021, 00:29
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We haven't seen our families since 2019. I remember when we had the chance to move to another continent we refused because....well, because we would have seen our families once in a couple of years, as we heard it happens to other people...
The good news is that both mom and in-laws got vaccinated with the first round. It brings me hope.
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Old 28.02.2021, 07:55
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I guess ZuriRollt is saying it doesn't; it was a poor choice of words. She just chooses not to take any risks by travelling to her daughter at the moment.

I'm not sure why her daughter can't travel to see her (from a distance), though.
I also think that meeting her daughter outdoors and keeping the distance should be OK. ZuriRollt is so fortunate having her daughter living so close to her. My daughter is studying in Zurich, and it was just lucky for both of us that she chose to study in Switzerland and not abroad. So many people are unable to see their families, this is so sad.
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Old 28.02.2021, 08:29
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I donít really understand your question Tom.

We can travel as much as we want on public Transport (OV), or see whoever we want. But it it is just a matter of choice. No-one will control either how many people you see, or how you get together.

Itís just a matter of personal choice, as to whether you want to get infected and/or pass it on, within the circumstances of the current pandemic.
No problem, just waiting for my vaccination (preferably neither the Astra Zeneca nor the Sputnik one).
As we always travel by personal transport, this is not an issue for us.

Choosing not to travel is a matter of choice, as you yourself said.

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Old 28.02.2021, 08:29
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We haven't seen our families since 2019. I remember when we had the chance to move to another continent we refused because....well, because we would have seen our families once in a couple of years, as we heard it happens to other people...
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I refused to move to Singapore for that very reason and thatís how we ended up in Switzerland.
My mother was living alone and had a life limiting condition and there was no way that I was going to move so far away from her.
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Havenít hugged my Daddy back home in Texas since October 2018. Was planning on an extended stay in May 2020, but we know how that went. The recent winter weather disaster in Texas and how helpless I felt was really hard on the mental health. I tried to support and help him as much as I could from here. Being an only child to a widowed father abroad isnít easy. I feel guilty a lot of the time ... canít wait to get home.
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It's undeniably tough for a lot of people right now; has been for a year already. My immediate familyósiblings, parents and selfóhave been spread over three continents for 25 years now. Obviously, getting together, even with just one of them, has been difficult. But I did manage to get back to Australia ten years ago to be with all of them when I was completely unexpectedly told that my dad had just days to live, and those final days with him are something I will always cherish.

Sadly, a few months ago my mother passed away in Canada. I knew it was coming, but there was nothing I could do. I couldn't go to see her; I wouldn't have been allowed to see her, even if I had somehow been admitted to Canada. I couldn't even talk to her on the phone. I feel a tremendous lack of closure, which obviously won't change.
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Remember the praise that was heaped on Germany at the beginning of the Pandemic? Well they've just entered their fifth straight month of lockdown, and still the end is not in sight. Vaccine rollout has also been a disaster (in part due to the reverence towards the EU), however even the over-65s are still not able to take the AZ vaccine.

In eastern Europe the cases are starting to tick up again too despite being in lockdown.
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In eastern Europe the cases are starting to tick up again too despite being in lockdown.
In some places they finally opened the schools so this might be a reason. And I doubt EE was ever in a proper lockdown, as it should have been normal at least during the first wave when we knew a lot less than we know now about the virus, allowing people to travel to different countries and back. You know, because of that thing the Western Europeans hate with a passion when it fits them but not during corona crisis though - FMOP. Or spending their holidays abroad. That doesn't look like a lockdown to me.


For me personally it's a mystery how my country, which is over-represented in statistics on doctors/medical staff working abroad hasn't collapsed yet. In fact we're among the first places in EU at the number of vaccinations if I remember correctly.
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For me personally it's a mystery how my country, which is over-represented in statistics on doctors/medical staff working abroad hasn't collapsed yet. In fact we're among the first places in EU at the number of vaccinations if I remember correctly.
This is a few days old but gives a good overview of the vaccination situation across Europe.
The UK is miles ahead of anywhere else followed by Serbia and Malta. Switzerland doesnít look too bad in comparison to other countries but most people expected better.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...pe-by-country/
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