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Well they seem to have a different definition what "total lockdown" means.. international trains, flights, everything still running..
Yes, it's very confusing.
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:10
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I always thought that as well, but then my doctor told me that sunlight actually only activates the vitamin D that is already in your body.
According to NHS UK your doctor told you wrong. The body does make it.

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The body creates vitamin D from direct sunlight on the skin when outdoors. But between October and early March we don't get enough vitamin D from sunlight.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitami...als/vitamin-d/
BTW, in CH being a little further south and for the most part at a higher altitude we will have a shorter blackout season....regular skiers can probably make enough year round.

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And the EU? Anybody heard anything from the EU lately? Shows how the EU is bankrupt, the moment it matters they just hide behind the curtain till the show is over.
Never heard of the ECDC?
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According to NHS UK your doctor told you wrong. The body does make it.
https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitami...als/vitamin-d/


Never heard of the ECDC?
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:18
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I saw one yesterday, I think.

A, found it:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/pag...t-flu-truthers


I think google has shunned ZeroHedge. You can't search the site, which is very sad because they were one of the first sites to warn about this I think even back in December. But certainly already at the beginning of January.

Ah, found it:

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/hon...pital-lockdown

(maybe somebody posted this already, I haven't read the whole thread and didn't follow it that closely)

So, the West had basically two full months to prepare for this.
And they did barely anything.
This will make even more people question the current state of our political system and search for "alternatives". Not now, of course, but once the dust has settled and the bodies have been buried....
I posted some links to Zerohedge toward the very beginning of the outbreak and got a slapped wrist for doing so! This was around the time some members were telling us to ensure we got our flu jabs
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My 82 year old brother has just gone in today for a knee replacement yesterday- I hope we can visit him soon. He is definitely not 'elderly'

A young friend in the UK thinks it is Johnson's and Cumming's policy to get rid of those pesky, expensive oldies- and solve the problem of shortages of cheap foreign care staff. Cynical - oh yes- but wouldn't put it past them.
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My 82 year old brother has just gone in today for a knee replacement yesterday- I hope we can visit him soon. He is definitely not 'elderly'

A young friend in the UK thinks it is Johnson's and Cumming's policy to get rid of those pesky, expensive oldies- and solve the problem of shortages of cheap foreign care staff. Cynical - oh yes- but wouldn't put it past them.
He's not exactly a younster
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:27
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Well they seem to have a different definition what "total lockdown" means.. international trains, flights, everything still running..
MXP will close at 10:30 AM today when the last incoming arrives, already closed for outgoing, as are Linate and Bergamo.

Trains, no idea.

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Old 10.03.2020, 09:27
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Re: Coronavirus

Why would anyone just wait for the Italians to interpret the notion of lock down.

CZ gov is sealing the borders and entries from Italians and Iran (China, etc.), army has been called a few days ago, taking temps of people who want to come at all border points. I am expecting public transport to halt and schools to close. Not sure if it isn't late, though, already.

Wish I had different ways to get to work than trains. I think I'll borrow my friend's motorbike.
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:31
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According to NHS UK your doctor told you wrong. The body does make it.


https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitami...als/vitamin-d/
BTW, in CH being a little further south and for the most part at a higher altitude we will have a shorter blackout season....regular skiers can probably make enough year round.
Most people don’t have enough skin exposed or stay out in the sun for long enough in winter for their bodies to make enough vitamin D.
Whilst not actually considered to be deficient in vit D a lot of people are at the very low end of the recommended levels throughout winter so taking a supplement between October and April is a good idea for them.
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Most people don’t have enough skin exposed or stay out in the sun for long enough in winter for their bodies to make enough vitamin D.
Whilst not actually considered to be deficient in vit D a lot of people are at the very low end of the recommended levels throughout winter so taking a supplement between October and April is a good idea for them.
In summer I overdose on Vitamin D
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:45
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My 82 year old brother has just gone in today for a knee replacement yesterday- I hope we can visit him soon. He is definitely not 'elderly'.
Why did he go in today if the knee replacement was yesterday? I assume you meant tomorrow for the op.

Age really is just a number, an 80 year can be fitter than a fifty year old but will be defined as elderly.

My brother in law’s mother will be 101 next month. She only gave up driving last year at her son’s insistence. When we visited a couple of years ago she invited us to lunch with her but said ‘It can’t be Wednesday as I volunteer to drive the ‘old folk’ to the tea dance on Wednesday afternoons. The ‘old folk’ in question were in their seventies and she was 97 at the time but didn’t consider herself to be one of the ‘old folk’.
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Old 10.03.2020, 09:50
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Most people don’t have enough skin exposed or stay out in the sun for long enough in winter for their bodies to make enough vitamin D.
Whilst not actually considered to be deficient in vit D a lot of people are at the very low end of the recommended levels throughout winter so taking a supplement between October and April is a good idea for them.
On what do you base these assertions? Do you have some stats to show that "most people" don't produce enough vit D in winter? I think the general rule is that exposing just the face or hands to the sun for 20 to 30 minutes two or three times a week is all that's needed, for most people.

And no, taking supplements if you're within the recommended range is not "a good idea". If you think you're suffering from low levels then get checked out by your doctor and take supplements if recommended, otherwise it's just a waste of money, time and resources.
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The difference is that CH wants to be seen as running just fine, nothing to see here, carry on, our banks are open for business.. There's chaos all over the markets but CH is fine, keep investing.

So it makes perfect sense to keep the numbers low here.
I'd expect, with the incubation period and the expotential growth rates, we have over 2000 current infections and upto 5000.

So Switzerland has lost the battle as well. There is actually nothing that can be done apart from slow the spread down.
But even with extreme measures, it's going to decimate the vulnerable, whether that be elderly, smokers, diabetics etc.
No government can put a cap on this unless they go full blown 'China'.


Italy is toast financially.

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I'd expect, with the incubation period and the expotential growth rates, we have over 2000 current infections and upto 5000.

So Switzerland has lost the battle as well.
No. Spring and summer is coming. It will reduce then to becoming just another winter " flu"
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Old 10.03.2020, 10:04
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MXP will close at 10:30 AM today when the last incoming arrives, already closed for outgoing, as are Linate and Bergamo.

Trains, no idea.

Tom
Sure? All 3 websites still claim regular operations. Admittedly "regular" still means about 75% of flights are cancelled due to lack of traffic but operations appear to continue.

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Sure? Both websites still claim regular operations. Admittedly "regular" still means about 75% of flights are cancelled due to lack of traffic but operations appear to continue.
Whats that for a politik. Italy can send its workers here to infect us!!
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No. Spring and summer is coming. It will reduce then to becoming just another winter " flu"
Very much not certain. There is already significant local transmission in Australia. I could imagine that the rate of transmission might be reduced but currently doubt it will be stopped.
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So what are the numbers now in CH. They seem to be keepng very quiet with this info!
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Very much not certain. There is already significant local transmission in Australia. I could imagine that the rate of transmission might be reduced but currently doubt it will be stopped.
Flu is never stopped. It just transmutates
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So what are the numbers now in CH. They seem to be keepng very quiet with this info!
Not really. Usually appears middle of the day for the day before. As of yesterday was 374 including the not yet double confirmed.
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