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The rules never made much logical sense to me from the start. If something is scientifically true then it should be enforced as if Stalin was on your back! All wishy-washy stuff everywhere.

I still don't know if it is gross incompetence or something else! Also, everyone here seems to be giving suggestions based on what suits them best
We need tanks on the streets and on the ski slopes


Edit- Outside gyms too!



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We need tanks on the streets and on the ski slopes
is this photo of Polish tanks rushing on CH ski slopes to support lockdowns?
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Old 15.03.2021, 13:02
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That’s been my experience here too.
And you really don’t want to get behind them in the line to get in the supermarket, they tend to spend an awfully long time disinfecting their trolley or baskets.
Suspect that time being stationary indoors actually increases their risk
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Well yes ...

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/mutated...om-uk/46240984


"A British tourist in Wengen was the first to ‘import’ the virus to the ski resort.

The number of cases rose rapidly from around 10 in mid-December to 90 last week. The canton of Bern responded to the outbreak with mass tests. So far, the virus has been detected seven times in around 1,000 tests, but testing is ongoing and may uncover other cases."


I am happy your resort where you are now is not crowded, but that hasn't always been the case...and it is the very end of the ski season now.
There has to be a realistic assessment of whether it was ever plausible the UK variant would be kept out before vaccination got going. And it wasn't.
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Old 15.03.2021, 13:23
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is this photo of Polish tanks rushing on CH ski slopes to support lockdowns?

Better? Let no mask dodger go unpunished

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Old 15.03.2021, 13:27
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Re: Coronavirus

Can we enter the third wave first, please?

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A fourth wave is threatened because of those who have not been vaccinated.

According to the BAG, there is a threat of a wave of diseases among unvaccinated people as soon as the vaccination campaign is completed. That is why vaccinated people should continue to wear masks.
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Old 15.03.2021, 13:44
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Reported numbers for fri, sat & sun combined 3170 out of 71 k tests

97 hospitalisations
21 death

https://www.20min.ch/story/corona-za...k-803083076953

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Today’s reported numbers for fri, sat and Sunday:

2744 out of 64105 tests

100 hospitalisations
16 deaths
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Old 15.03.2021, 13:57
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That is why vaccinated people should continue to wear masks.
and the rest can stop doing this?
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Better? Let no mask dodger go unpunished

now its much more realistic
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Old 15.03.2021, 14:06
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Can we enter the third wave first, please?

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A fourth wave is threatened because of those who have not been vaccinated.

According to the BAG, there is a threat of a wave of diseases among unvaccinated people as soon as the vaccination campaign is completed. That is why vaccinated people should continue to wear masks.
I had a chuckle about this article this AM - is BAG trying to distract from the fact that most of the country has not been vaccinated because of their horribly ran vaccination program? If we get a third or fourth wave, it isn't their fault right? It is the anti-vaxxers! Right now, the anti-vaxxers don't even get a chance to say "nein danke".
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Old 15.03.2021, 14:37
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There has to be a realistic assessment of whether it was ever plausible the UK variant would be kept out before vaccination got going. And it wasn't.
I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that the UK variant was already detected in samples taken in Vaud as far back as last October when they went back and sequenced some of the tests.
It was almost certainly present in Switzerland well before all the British skiers arrived so it was inevitable that it would spread here too.
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Geneva's finance minister Nathalie Fontanet reinfected with Covid. She had already got it in March 2020.

https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/nathal...s-149742229637
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Old 15.03.2021, 15:04
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There has to be a realistic assessment of whether it was ever plausible the UK variant would be kept out before vaccination got going. And it wasn't.
They never believed they could keep it out, the plan was just to slow it down. Which would have worked except they screwed up the vaccine procurement.
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Can we enter the third wave first, please?
We have I'm afraid.
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Old 15.03.2021, 15:09
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Indeed, we returned yesterday to Klewenalp, and it was a ghost resort. The 30-50 km/h winds scared everyone but it was great practice with interesting conditions in the pistes: exposed underlying ice and deep powder in other sections. Klewenalp is a small place with only t-bar lifts and open chairlifts. The windows in the gondola from the parking to the snow are open, the air flows almost like outside. There is no way to get there by train, because there's no railroad . No large hotels. Just a 100 or so car parking. Just for comparison, the local Coop + other shops have more parking places and the people is concentrated is much smaller surface.

My impression is that everyone that wanted to have an ski week already had it and that's when the infamous photos of crowds were taken. But after the school kids vacations are over and shops opened the resorts are near empty.

I'm planning to go soon to Stoos or Engelberg during a work day. With home office, I can work on a Sunday and ski on Tuesday, no crowds.
Pick a weather day like today and you will pretty well have the place to yourself. Just back from Pizol, near ½ metre of perfect powder and didn't even see one other (non staff) person for the first couple of hours.
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We have I'm afraid.
+14% comparing to the previous 7 days.
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Geneva's finance minister Nathalie Fontanet reinfected with Covid. She had already got it in March 2020.

https://www.20min.ch/fr/story/nathal...s-149742229637
Alarmist and inaccurate headline. She has tested positive, having previously tested positive. She doesn't seem to have developed any symptoms, and it's unclear from the article whether she did last time either.

Also (paraphrased) from the article, Professor Antoine Flahault, epidemiologist and director of the Institute for Global Health of the University of Geneva, pointed out that immunity acquired naturally or through vaccines does not always completely prevent reinfection, "but generally prevents severe forms of the disease" and that the test results can't be guaranteed to be 100% accurate.

In other words, this shouldn't in any way be read as a sign that there are new forms of the virus which are resistant to vaccines or previously-acquired immunity.
Which is perhaps what the headline might make people think. In fact, exposure of a vaccinated person to the virus, whether the same or a different strain, will nearly always mean that it's present in the body for a short time until the immune response kills it off, and obviously a test taken at that time will show positive. Just as would be the case for someone exposed to any other pathogen against which they've previously been vaccinated.
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Alarmist and inaccurate headline. She has tested positive, having previously tested positive. She doesn't seem to have developed any symptoms, and it's unclear from the article whether she did last time either.

Also (paraphrased) from the article, Professor Antoine Flahault, epidemiologist and director of the Institute for Global Health of the University of Geneva, pointed out that immunity acquired naturally or through vaccines does not always completely prevent reinfection, "but generally prevents severe forms of the disease" and that the test results can't be guaranteed to be 100% accurate.

In other words, this shouldn't in any way be read as a sign that there are new forms of the virus which are resistant to vaccines or previously-acquired immunity.
Which is perhaps what the headline might make people think. In fact, exposure of a vaccinated person to the virus, whether the same or a different strain, will nearly always mean that it's present in the body for a short time until the immune response kills it off, and obviously a test taken at that time will show positive. Just as would be the case for someone exposed to any other pathogen against which they've previously been vaccinated.
The text just writes that she has been tested positive again, nothing about new forms.
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You cannot deny that allowing the Brits and all neighboring countries to come into Switzerland (the only country with open ski lifts) was a bad idea.
I fully agree with that. I alway thought that ski tickets this season should had been sold only for residents. They deliberately made Switzerland into place of attraction for the whole Europe this winter.
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"Germany is now the seventh European country to suspend AstraZeneca's use despite advice from the European Union's medicines regulator that the benefits of the shot outweigh any potential risks."
Upd: Also Italy and France.

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