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Gyms are getting ready to open, do they have inside info?
Everything points to ending of lockdown?
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Old 17.03.2021, 07:44
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This link might help fill the gaps:

https://www.ashclinicalnews.org/spot...rug-approvals/

I truly have no idea which slot the UK now fits into ��
I don’t have any gaps.

As I said I’ll be waiting a long time.
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Old 17.03.2021, 07:46
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What about the vaccine Johnson&Johnson? Any chance to see it here? Back home they'll introduce it most likely in the second half of April.
Nope, the Swiss have decided against purchasing this one.
They said it couldn’t be delivered before autumn which is too late.
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Old 17.03.2021, 07:56
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Gyms are getting ready to open, do they have inside info?
Everything points to ending of lockdown?
The only thing pointing to "ending the lockdown" is the increasing political pressure.

All leading indicators suggest we will be back in trouble soon: R = 1.14, B117 totally dominant and confirmed to be more severe, all neighbouring countries in problems, vaccination slow, people fed up with measures and increasingly unconcerned.
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Nope, the Swiss have decided against purchasing this one.
They said it couldn’t be delivered before autumn which is too late.
Is this going to be recommended for children too? Or any of them? It's been a rollercoaster for us having to quarantine because of cases in their class, plus extreme caution when they cough etc. I wish we could vaccinate everyone.

I mean we could wait with the vaccination for children, but frankly........bring it on!!!
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Re: Coronavirus

Over 50s can now get the vaccine in UK so that looks like a good time to get a jab when I go back again at the weekend.
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Old 17.03.2021, 08:31
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Nope, the Swiss have decided against purchasing this one.
They said it couldn’t be delivered before autumn which is too late.
Makes me wonder why anyone (J&J or Swissmedic) bothered with the authorisation. Surely Swissmedic's resources would be better targetted at something that is going to be used here.

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Gyms are getting ready to open, do they have inside info?
Everything points to ending of lockdown?
Only last Friday's announcements.

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Over 50s can now get the vaccine in UK so that looks like a good time to get a jab when I go back again at the weekend.
Are you going to be there long enough to get the second jab (12 weeks)? If you get AZ it looks increasingly unlikely you will get that here.
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Nope, the Swiss have decided against purchasing this one.
They said it couldn’t be delivered before autumn which is too late.
Not in autumn but in the third quarter.
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Old 17.03.2021, 08:46
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Well, let‘s just say then - to bring it down to human being levels:

In Germany, 1.6 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have been inoculated so far. Seven people who were vaccinated developed sinus vein thrombosis, six women and one man.

In the UK, 11 million doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine have already been administered, and authorities have recorded only three cases of sinus vein thrombosis.

In Switzerland, Swissmedic has not yet approved AstraZeneca's vaccine, but the Federal Office of Public Health has ordered 5.3 million doses from the British-Swedish manufacturer.

Where did the „statistical error“ occur in your view?
It's the old correlation / causation thing that is confusing you.

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PS. I do measure my BMI on a daily basis, but doubt that it‘s of any interest to anyone else. Feel a bit sorry for all the lost souls out there.
??? You measure your height everyday?
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and confirmed to be more severe,
Switzerland doesn't share this idea. There was a question to the person from BAG about it yesterday and he answered that the reports about higher severeness, which appeared in the beginning of the year, did not confirmed afterwards, so they assume this mutation us not more severe.
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Or any of them?
Probably Pfizer later this year. They have a study with kids from 6 to 16 and Israel already vaccinated 600 kids between 12 and 16.
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Old 17.03.2021, 08:55
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Is this going to be recommended for children too? Or any of them? It's been a rollercoaster for us having to quarantine because of cases in their class, plus extreme caution when they cough etc. I wish we could vaccinate everyone.

I mean we could wait with the vaccination for children, but frankly........bring it on!!!
Pfizer, Moderna and AZ are currently trialling using their vaccines in children.

It is likely they will be available for kids in the autumn.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n723
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Old 17.03.2021, 08:57
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??? You measure your height everyday?
Probably should be measuring it several times a day to get an accurate indicator of BMI as it varies depending on the time of day.

Weight too of course.
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Old 17.03.2021, 08:58
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Switzerland doesn't share this idea. There was a question to the person from BAG about it yesterday and he answered that the reports about higher severeness, which appeared in the beginning of the year, did not confirmed afterwards, so they assume this mutation us not more severe.
LOL, they don't share this idea? There are at least four studies that show this, below you can find one of them. They all seem to conclude +60% higher fatality rates, give or take. I have not read them, but heard the synopsis in the latest Drosten podcast. Drosten was very skeptical in the beginning whether B117 would spread faster, let alone be more severe, but he seems to have been convinced by the data.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03426-1

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SARS-CoV-2 lineage B.1.1.7, a variant first detected in the UK in September 20201, has spread to multiple countries worldwide. Several studies have established that B.1.1.7 is more transmissible than preexisting variants, but have not identified whether it leads to any change in disease severity2. Here we analyse a dataset linking 2,245,263 positive SARS-CoV-2 community tests and 17,452 COVID-19 deaths in England from 1 September 2020 to 14 February 2021. For 1,146,534 (51%) of these tests, the presence or absence of B.1.1.7 can be identified because of mutations in this lineage preventing PCR amplification of the spike gene target (S gene target failure, SGTF1). Based on 4,945 deaths with known SGTF status, we estimate that the hazard of death associated with SGTF is 55% (95% CI 39–72%) higher after adjustment for age, sex, ethnicity, deprivation, care home residence, local authority of residence and test date. This corresponds to the absolute risk of death for a 55–69-year-old male increasing from 0.6% to 0.9% (95% CI 0.8–1.0%) within 28 days after a positive test in the community. Correcting for misclassification of SGTF and missingness in SGTF status, we estimate a 61% (42–82%) higher hazard of death associated with B.1.1.7. Our analysis suggests that B.1.1.7 is not only more transmissible than preexisting SARS-CoV-2 variants, but may also cause more severe illness."
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Is this going to be recommended for children too? Or any of them? It's been a rollercoaster for us having to quarantine because of cases in their class, plus extreme caution when they cough etc. I wish we could vaccinate everyone.

I mean we could wait with the vaccination for children, but frankly........bring it on!!!
To bring the vaccine to the market, the company has to test the vaccine first, run clinical trials and use the results from the trials for the application to Swiss regulatory authorities. Once the drug is approved, it goes to the market and used strictly according to the approved terms. All current vaccines approved in Switzerland have been tested on people older than 16.

Nothing can be recommended for children unless it is tested on children and officially submitted for use on children by the pharma company, and this application is reviewed and approved by Swissmedic. It should be Pfizer or Moderna who apply for permission to use their vaccine on kids. I am sure they will do this as soon as they conduct the studies on children.
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Pfizer, Moderna and AZ are currently trialling using their vaccines in children.

It is likely they will be available for kids in the autumn.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n723
This is what I wanted to know, thanks. Tbh some time ago I wasn't so convinced they'll need one but it seems this pandemic just doesn't want to stop.
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Everything points to ending of lockdown?
yes, new strain, undetectable by PCR tests
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Does anyone have a view of Switzerlands progress on the procurement of vaccines? It seems to be very slow and were at the back of the line?
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Probably should be measuring it several times a day to get an accurate indicator of BMI as it varies depending on the time of day.

Weight too of course.
Your height is highest and weight probably lowest first thing in the morning so your BMI is likely lowest then, and highest at night (lower height, higher weight). So if you’re measuring every day........

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Old 17.03.2021, 09:51
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Is this going to be recommended for children too? Or any of them? It's been a rollercoaster for us having to quarantine because of cases in their class, plus extreme caution when they cough etc. I wish we could vaccinate everyone.

I mean we could wait with the vaccination for children, but frankly........bring it on!!!
Bad outbreak at a school in Basel Land ... they are blaming it on the parents unwillingness for the kids to wear masks...

https://www.20min.ch/story/eltern-we...t-485018933087
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