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Why can't they utilise the vast numbers of young men that are unfit for military duty but are in the civil defence? As far as I understand it they have far too many men in this category and many are simply put into reserve. There has also been a huge increase in men choosing to opt out of their military service in exchange for a 360 day civil duty, for example working in a care home. Currently the duty can belayed a bit/split timewise etc and I believe can also be undertaken overseas. Stop that and put these men into care homes etc.
Because despite what the powers-that-be would have us believe, working as a care worker is not unskilled, is not easy and not everybody can do it and do it well with compasssion, precision and fortitude.

I wouldn't want some press-ganged, uncomfortable fella looking after one of my elderly relatives.
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Old 10.03.2020, 16:53
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Maybe I should have said screen rather than TV.

I think most people who say they never watch ‘TV’ in some form or another are deluding themselves.
However, hard to deny there is a big generation gap. Our kids (in their mid 40s), young friends and grandkids- find it hilarious that we still watch traditional TV. We switch on in the evening for the 6 0'clock News, at 7 - and then might flick between BBC1, BBC2 or ITV- lol. They only watch Netflix and streaming, etc.
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Old 10.03.2020, 16:55
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What would be the alternative? With whom can they replace all that staff?
Exactly, when 95+ % of your staff are frontaliers, then some have to self isolate- what choice do you have? Some families may be asked to take their elderly relatives back home for a while perhaps???
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Because despite what the powers-that-be would have us believe, working as a care worker is not unskilled, is not easy and not everybody can do it and do it well with compasssion, precision and fortitude.

I wouldn't want some press-ganged, uncomfortable fella looking after one of my elderly relatives.
That is actually the current situation before this outbreak anyway. My son's troop will do a three week Praktikum in hospitals and care homes. This is always the case for the medical corps in Weeks 11, 12 and 13 of recruitment school which takes place twice a year.

There are also already lots of young men who opt not to do the military service and have to do 360 days of civil duty which includes working in care homes etc.

Actually don't under estimate our young men. My son came home at the weekend saying he wants to help. I have actually spoken to him about the delicacy of looking after an older vulnerable person. They have received some training for this from the military including covering the less pleasant aspects of such care.

Not everyone will do it with compassion I am sure, but I think a lot more will than you give credit for.

In response to another comment I am not suggesting calling the Army up. I am suggesting using the men who anyway are legally obliged to do a civil duty.

https://www.ch.ch/en/performing-compulsory-service/
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To answer on "what to do about medical staff in case borders are closed" it's not complicated: declare said staff strategic to the country, have them bring a week's clothing with them and have them housed near the facility they work at. Wartime measures for wartime conditions, especially if quarantining towns begin here.

Only problem is if neighbouring countries decide to requisition all medical staff of their respective nationalities... But that's what all the ongoing discussions within the EU are about I suppose.
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Video on TV from the Sitting of the Swiss government yesterday. The had a bottle of hand disinfectant which they were all using. But its the wasteful way they used it! As if it was water that they were just splashing around. While other people have to scrounge around for 10 ml of the stuff . Idiots they are!!
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Because despite what the powers-that-be would have us believe, working as a care worker is not unskilled, is not easy and not everybody can do it and do it well with compasssion, precision and fortitude.

I wouldn't want some press-ganged, uncomfortable fella looking after one of my elderly relatives.
Sometimes social cases work in care homes but they do simple things like wiping arses or taking people for a walk.
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Old 10.03.2020, 17:14
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Wiping arses is NOT a simple thing- at all. It requires a lot of care with people who are physically in pain- but it takes massive doses of sensibility as people feel so vulnerable and helpless, and totally bereft due to loss of dignity. Which is why volunteers and new staff always do so under supervision. Talk to anyone in a care home- and they will tell you that having one's arse wiped is one of the worst things ever.
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To answer on "what to do about medical staff in case borders are closed" it's not complicated: declare said staff strategic to the country, have them bring a week's clothing with them and have them housed near the facility they work at. Wartime measures for wartime conditions, especially if quarantining towns begin here.

Only problem is if neighbouring countries decide to requisition all medical staff of their respective nationalities... But that's what all the ongoing discussions within the EU are about I suppose.

Thinking about the care homes in my region ( ) ... most of the care staff and nurses, etc- have families, many with young children.
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Old 10.03.2020, 17:55
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What would be the alternative? With whom can they replace all that staff?

Plus I don't what's the situation in France.
Probably to close the border betwen the Tessin and the north. Tessin has by far the highest proportion of cases and unlike the Tessin the economy and healthcare north of the alps doesn't depend on Italian residents.

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Italy was ridiculed for the mismanagement of the crisis.

However, they were the first country in Europe. France, Germany, Spain and Switzerland should have learnt from Italy's mistakes. By repeating them they will seem even more ridicule and stupid.
How did they / were they supposed to have mismanaged it? I can't easily think of much more they could have done given that a China type approach simply won't work in Europe.
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Old 10.03.2020, 18:07
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Dutch pm did exactly the same as Berset, today, shook hands with guy sharing platform with him after he gave a speech on TV about not shaking hands anymore.

Went to my lovely French dentist today- gel in waiting room, no magazines to read- but he came out, gave me a big smile and shook my hand and led me by the shoulder to his room (probably looking to the 1000E for the new crown... or because we get on well and I often do translating for him...as he repairs old vintage Jags).
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Probably to close the border betwen the Tessin and the north. Tessin has by far the highest proportion of cases and unlike the Tessin the economy and healthcare north of the alps doesn't depend on Italian residents.
Well actually, Tessin (89) has only 13 cases less than Vaud (76) as of today! Good luck cutting off Vaud... Apparently most Vaud cases are being confined at home with just paracetamol as their symptoms don't justify using up the precious isolations rooms of the CHUV.

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That is actually the current situation before this outbreak anyway. My son's troop will do a three week Praktikum in hospitals and care homes. This is always the case for the medical corps in Weeks 11, 12 and 13 of recruitment school which takes place twice a year.

There are also already lots of young men who opt not to do the military service and have to do 360 days of civil duty which includes working in care homes etc.

Actually don't under estimate our young men. My son came home at the weekend saying he wants to help. I have actually spoken to him about the delicacy of looking after an older vulnerable person. They have received some training for this from the military including covering the less pleasant aspects of such care.

Not everyone will do it with compassion I am sure, but I think a lot more will than you give credit for.

In response to another comment I am not suggesting calling the Army up. I am suggesting using the men who anyway are legally obliged to do a civil duty.

https://www.ch.ch/en/performing-compulsory-service/
It's great your son has the compassion and understanding. I'm not underestimating. I'm saying being a professional carer is bloody diffcult and it's not sonething just anyone can -or will -do.

As for your comment, Omtatsat, you're trolling again.
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Its obvious. Switzerland follows mama and papi Germany. They still cant make a decision by themselves!

Tell that to the Genevans!
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Yodel concert cancelled! First time in the 100 years of the club this has happened... now if the yodel starts to go, run for your liiiiiiiives!
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As for your comment, Omtatsat, you're trolling again.
Just block him, I have, as have many others. It considerably reduces the amount of bait taken, definitely worth it.
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Tessin has by far the highest proportion of cases and unlike the Tessin the economy and healthcare north of the alps doesn't depend on Italian residents.
Not sure what North of the alps refers, but in this area VD/GE, there is equally if not more reliance on French frontaliers in the health and other sectors of the economy.

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Well actually, Tessin (89) has only 13 cases less than Vaud (76) as of today! Good luck cutting off Vaud... Apparently most Vaud cases are being confined at home with just paracetamol as their symptoms don't justify using up the precious isolations rooms of the CHUV.
Agreed. My colleague is one of the GE 52 and confined to home at the moment. They start to close schools here after teacher tested positive in VD international school yesterday. I predict more of the same in the coming days.
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True, hockey's the only sport I watch. And it gets dirty.
I've been to one live game - in London, maybe 20 years ago - and I couldn't follow it. The puck moves far too fast for me. If they all wore white, changed the colour of the puck to red and also its shape to spherical with a raised seam then they'd be on to something. Less ice might help as well.
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It's great your son has the compassion and understanding. I'm not underestimating. I'm saying being a professional carer is bloody diffcult and it's not sonething just anyone can -or will -do.

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I don't think Klostergirl is underestimating the amount of skill and knowledge needed to care for the elderly - she's merely stating that people don't give the young enough credit for the amount of compassion that they may have when asked to undertake such a task.

Of course getting them to do it in the first place is far from ideal but this isn't really a typical situation and I think we're all going to have to make do somewhere along the line.
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Yodel concert cancelled! First time in the 100 years of the club this has happened... now if the yodel starts to go, run for your liiiiiiiives!
Even the Viruses run when they when they hear this cacophony!
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