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Hmm let me see, am I acting as I should do?

Using elbow in Elevators - Check
Don't touch the doorhandles with hands - Check
Keep a healthy distance - Check
Don't use public transport - Check
Sterilise hands when coming home - Check
Don't touch face outside - Check
Wife forced to work home - Check
Measure temperature of kid daily - Check
Go to supermarket at calm hours - Check
Bring kid to biggest daycare in Zürich with over 200 other kids - Check

Yeah, we're good.
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Old 11.03.2020, 09:57
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Yes, as the article's author sharp remarks go, there is some sort of arrogance "we're developed nations, we have infrastructure, performant health care systems etc" and shit happens only in third world countries. If the infection rate goes at this pace and more and more people would need medical care, there is no system that could cope with that.
I'll go with the arrogance to point that in Italy and Switzerland there's no censure of the press at the moment. The author sharp remarks are possible due to free press, we know the numbers due to free press.

Albeit, free press make things seem more chaotic than they are.Without it, all the headlines are "the people guided by great leader successfully defeat the illness"...while people still die.

So, a bit of discomforting disorder and discussions while real solutions are worked out or comforting order while people that could be saved die?
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Old 11.03.2020, 10:00
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My wife works in a hospital ER in Vaud and this has been the strategy more or less since the outbreak. They have been triaging symptomatic patients into different strata of risk and even then viral testing is only done in limited cases - self isolation remains the m.o.
Do we know what is the "Official reason" for the small number of tests being done?
Not enough test kits?
Costs too much?
No point?
Too risky for testers?
Faking the numbers to the outside world?
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Albeit, free press make things seem more chaotic than they are.Without it, all the headlines are "the people guided by great leader successfully defeat the illness"...while people still die.

So, a bit of discomforting disorder and discussions while real solutions are worked out or comforting order while people that could be saved die?
He wasn't referring to the press but to authorities. The press is doing their job as good or as bad as they can..as usual. I think his information sources are not (only) from the press. He is pointing out that the epidemic was not taken seriously, and still isn't for the most part. Hence his doubts about the real numbers.

I can agree with the fact that we don't know what really happens in China. I can only hope they contained the epidemic, as they claim to...
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Old 11.03.2020, 10:12
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Do we know what is the "Official reason" for the small number of tests being done?
Not enough test kits?
Costs too much?
No point?
Too risky for testers?
Faking the numbers to the outside world?
The communication risk in only testing serious cases is that it will eventually make the death rate look much worse.
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Old 11.03.2020, 10:13
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Do we know what is the "Official reason" for the small number of tests being done?
Not enough test kits?
Costs too much?
No point?
Too risky for testers?
Faking the numbers to the outside world?
From my understanding the official reason is that CH is concentrating on the protection of the elderly and vulnerable. I assume the reason for only testing when certain risk criteria have been met is to free up medical resources. I believe that is the "official line" anyway.

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Old 11.03.2020, 10:14
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Hmm let me see, am I acting as I should do?

Using elbow in Elevators - Check
Don't touch the doorhandles with hands - Check
Keep a healthy distance - Check
Don't use public transport - Check
Sterilise hands when coming home - Check
Don't touch face outside - Check
Wife forced to work home - Check
Measure temperature of kid daily - Check
Go to supermarket at calm hours - Check
Bring kid to biggest daycare in Zürich with over 200 other kids - Check

Yeah, we're good.
Avoid using elbow in Elevators - Check
Don't touch the doorhandles with hands - Fail
Keep a healthy distance - Fail
Don't use public transport - Epic Fail
Sterilise hands when coming home - Check
Don't touch face outside - Fail - I'm a habitual face toucher
Wife forced to work - I wish
Measure temperature of kid daily - Fail
Go to supermarket at calm hours - Check
2 kids at separate schools - Check
Clean bum juice from rowing machine at gym - Check
Explained to kids how virus can spread - Check
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Old 11.03.2020, 10:19
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Hmm let me see, am I acting as I should do? Using elbow in Elevators - Check Don't touch the doorhandles with hands - Check Keep a healthy distance - Check Don't use public transport - Check Sterilise hands when coming home - Check Don't touch face outside - Check Wife forced to work home - Check Measure temperature of kid daily - Check Go to supermarket at calm hours - Check Bring kid to biggest daycare in Zürich with over 200 other kids - Check Yeah, we're good.

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Old 11.03.2020, 10:26
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Avoid using elbow in Elevators - Check
Don't touch the doorhandles with hands - Fail
Keep a healthy distance - Fail
Don't use public transport - Epic Fail
Sterilise hands when coming home - Check
Don't touch face outside - Fail - I'm a habitual face toucher
Wife forced to work - I wish
Measure temperature of kid daily - Fail
Go to supermarket at calm hours - Check
2 kids at separate schools - Check
Clean bum juice from rowing machine at gym - Check
Explained to kids how virus can spread - Check
To add a bit of extra info, there is normally zero need to check a kids temperature every day, ours however is lacking something in his blood and thus picks up colds, flu etc.. all easier than the average kid. This combined with that he will not show different behaviour unless he is around 40 degrees but than rapidly changes mood, pukes easily etc.. has led us to scan him regularly.
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Re: Coronavirus

They say that the start of the Coronavirus is due to the disease crossing the species barrier from animals to humans.

Therefore do you remember the blame for the cause of AIDS and the start of the HIV epidemic originating from the
virus coming African Green Monkeys ?

CSH - Perspectives on Medicines - Origins of the HIV & AIDS pandemic

New Scientist - Polio vaccine did not cause AIDS epidemic

Although there are still arguements about where AIDS / HIV truely originated.
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yep. tiptop...but one more thing edwin...something i've added...



[IMG]funny picture[/IMG]
Haha I like it. Add some roles with comics on them and it could be your emergency room. With two cats and 3yr old boy I prefer only one roll in sight.

Funny note: some months ago I sat on the toilet, boy runs in, grabs the rol and runs out again while laughing out loud.... since that day there's a hidden roll close to the toilet.

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Old 11.03.2020, 10:29
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To add a bit of extra info, there is normally zero need to check a kids temperature every day, ours however is lacking something in his blood and thus picks up colds, flu etc.. all easier than the average kid. This combined with that he will not show different behaviour unless he is around 40 degrees but than rapidly changes mood, pukes easily etc.. has led us to scan him regularly.

we have been doing daily temp checks since two months (SG recommends twice daily...even )
how is your kid? still fever?
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And if shit really hits the fan everywhere it is each on their own. Western countries are simply not used to disasters anymore but they forget that money can't things that simply are not there anymore.
This.

They can't buy human resources that aren't there either.

Someone here concluded that if we have free press we only see the chaos and the shit is not that big. I wish I can be as optimistic.
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we have been doing daily temp checks since two months (SG recommends twice daily...even )
how is your kid? still fever?
Having his first day in daycare after 10 days home, he is doing great atm. And I hope he can have some days of great fun in his forest group and the mudslides they have before daycare centers are among the things that get closed.
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Old 11.03.2020, 10:38
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To add a bit of extra info, there is normally zero need to check a kids temperature every day, ours however is lacking something in his blood and thus picks up colds, flu etc.. all easier than the average kid. This combined with that he will not show different behaviour unless he is around 40 degrees but than rapidly changes mood, pukes easily etc.. has led us to scan him regularly.
Another thing I have which hopefully won't be required is a pulse oximeter ..

96-100 % all good
90-95 % go to the doctor
below 90 % go to the ER

I figure it could assist in deciding when a bad cold has become something to worry about like pneumonia.
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Old 11.03.2020, 10:42
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Having his first day in daycare after 10 days home, he is doing great atm. And I hope he can have some days of great fun in his forest group and the mudslides they have before daycare centers are among the things that get closed.
Good to hear. So many uncertainties indeed. Schools here did not have to close completely but if they did most families have helpers or grandparents nearby to assist. Not so much the case in Switzerland.

Also we panicked a bit over the Italian cruise ship having to dock here yesterday (after having been turned away by msia and thailand) but as usual SG authortities are doing a good job handling it...


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Old 11.03.2020, 10:44
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we have been doing daily temp checks since two months (SG recommends twice daily...even )
how is your kid? still fever?
One of ours ends up in bed for two weeks with 40'C fever every time he gets flu or a bad cold as he has a problem which means he always gets a lung infection when he gets ill.
I hope he doesn't get the virus.

He's at home now as he started coughing yesterday and the school has said no child is allowed at school with a cold.
It seems like it's just a cold.
Has anyone else got kids at home like this?

'Luckily' I'm on holiday this week so am at home as I was due to fly to the UK this week to see my parents but they told me they would rather I didn't come as they are old and my father is very weak through cancer chemotherapy.
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One of ours ends up in bed for two weeks with 40'C fever every time he gets flu or a bad cold as he has a problem which means he always gets a lung infection when he gets ill.
I hope he doesn't get the virus.

He's at home now as he started coughing yesterday and the school has said no child is allowed at school with a cold.
It seems like it's just a cold.
Has anyone else got kids at home like this?

'Luckily' I'm on holiday this week so am at home as I was due to fly to the UK this week to see my parents but they told me they would rather I didn't come as they are old and my father is very weak through cancer chemotherapy.
Mine are fine but similarly, their schools are pretty sensitive to any sickness.. Asking us to check and not send if the slightest sign of cough/cold/flu etc.

Friends kids were sick last week and doctor told them it was flu.. Without any testing .. Just that it's seasonal flu, nothing to see here, take some dalfagan.
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One of ours ends up in bed for two weeks with 40'C fever every time he gets flu or a bad cold as he has a problem which means he always gets a lung infection when he gets ill.
I hope he doesn't get the virus.

He's at home now as he started coughing yesterday and the school has said no child is allowed at school with a cold.
It seems like it's just a cold.
Has anyone else got kids at home like this?

'Luckily' I'm on holiday this week so am at home as I was due to fly to the UK this week to see my parents but they told me they would rather I didn't come as they are old and my father is very weak through cancer chemotherapy.

that's full on Tom, sorry to hear. hope everyone stays healthy. this Cov is keeping loved ones and families apart as we are all mostly expats here. I have many friends worried here how to get to their loved ones halfway across the world.

I had to cancel plans to HK too. Here's hoping your boy gets better soon.
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Old 11.03.2020, 11:07
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Hmm let me see, am I acting as I should do?

Using elbow in Elevators - Check
Don't touch the doorhandles with hands - Check
Keep a healthy distance - Check
Don't use public transport - Check
Sterilise hands when coming home - Check
Don't touch face outside - Check
Wife forced to work home - Check
Measure temperature of kid daily - Check
Go to supermarket at calm hours - Check
Bring kid to biggest daycare in Zürich with over 200 other kids - Check

Yeah, we're good.

Plus no handshakes - check
Distance more than 4.5m (Chinese news) - check
Trains full of people a few times a day - check
Schools with hundreds of students and one for the kiddo - check
Telling the young ones that "No, one ain't a hero for coming to school sick" everyday - check
Eating through the quarantine stock coz we are exhausted - check

The "bum juice" comment just ate into my immune system karma. Aaaaaaaa.

I need a new battery for our thermometer.
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