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this is key point
if pandemic is over why to have extra jabs and start production?
so, there is no plans to stop the pandemic anytime soon
Because living with a virus doesn't mean living with pandemic. The virus might not go away but the pandemic probably will end relatively soon. At least the current one.
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Now that would be really interesting to know? Why, how, where??? If you can try and find out more. I'd say this is seriously concerning.
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Fairmask states that they work with the Hirsch Pharmacy which is confirmed on the
pharmacies website https://www.hirschapotheke.ch/aktuell/index.php.

From the pharmacies website

"Corona self-tests have been available from pharmacies in Switzerland since April 7, 2021. Every person residing in Switzerland can obtain 5 tests free of charge within 30 days. The self-tests are billed directly between the pharmacy and your health insurance company.

To save you going to the pharmacy, we offer you an exclusive free delivery service.

With our partner at Fairmask you can have your 5 free tests sent to your home every month. Fairmask takes over the dispatch of the tests on our behalf, which are conveniently delivered to your milk box by post (no invoice, no registered mail)."
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Old 11.04.2021, 17:41
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For this reason if you are young, then it would be worth thinking twice as to whether or not you want to get the vaccine. My kids will not be getting a Covid vaccine even if it is eventually approved for them, until we understand more about them. I think anyhow that clinical trials on kids for these vaccine is dodgy ethically given the risk Covid poses to them.
Depends on how you define young.
According to yesterday's Swiss newspapers, the median age of COVID patients in Swiss hospitals is now 64; not so long ago it was in the high 70's
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Re: Coronavirus

And how you define young also changes ... I remember thinking being 16 was old- then 30, then 50, then 70 - and now that we have reached the latter- old is anything over 90! Goal posts, and all that. I certainly ain't ready to kick the proverbial bucket, thanks.
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Old 11.04.2021, 18:23
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And how you define young also changes ...
Old is 30+.

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Old 11.04.2021, 18:27
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Old is 30+.

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I love cars, but that criterion only applies to them. Not people
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Old 11.04.2021, 20:33
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Re: Coronavirus

During the last eight weeks in the US, the % of COVID hospital patients aged under 50 has increased by more than half from 24% to 37%.
The % of the over 65s in hospital has fallen from 50% to 30%, the actual number fell by two-thirds.
Today there are more under 50s in hospital than over 65s.

Soon we oldies will have to start worrying about protecting the young ones.
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Old 11.04.2021, 20:42
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During the last eight weeks in the US, the % of COVID hospital patients aged under 50 has increased by more than half from 24% to 37%.
The % of the over 65s in hospital has fallen from 50% to 30%, the actual number fell by two-thirds.
Today there are more under 50s in hospital than over 65s.

Soon we oldies will have to start worrying about protecting the young ones.
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Old 11.04.2021, 20:49
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During the last eight weeks in the US, the % of COVID hospital patients aged under 50 has increased by more than half from 24% to 37%.
The % of the over 65s in hospital has fallen from 50% to 30%, the actual number fell by two-thirds.
Today there are more under 50s in hospital than over 65s.

Soon we oldies will have to start worrying about protecting the young ones.
Didn't I hear recently that we can easily afford having 30000 cases per day in Switzerland once the "risk groups" are vaccinated?

The relative change between the age groups is expected (depending on vaxx process) but we see increasing absolutes in parts of the US as across Europe.
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During the last eight weeks in the US, the % of COVID hospital patients aged under 50 has increased by more than half from 24% to 37%.
The % of the over 65s in hospital has fallen from 50% to 30%, the actual number fell by two-thirds.
Today there are more under 50s in hospital than over 65s.

Soon we oldies will have to start worrying about protecting the young ones.
There are many other issues the "young ones" will have to contend thanks to COVID and lockdowns. Mental issues being first and foremost. To quote Belgianmum...

"It’s being reported in the paper today (NZZ am Sonntag I think) that teenage suicide attempts more than doubled in 2020 and mental health issues resulting in hospitalization amongst teens more than tripled. Other things such as eating disorders amongst young people have also increased. These are the figures for Zurich.
Whilst stopping short of actually blaming the pandemic and lockdowns directly due to insufficient scientific evidence they are strongly alluding to that being the cause."

My take, the unintended consequences regarding lockdowns will have far graver outcomes long term regarding our progeny and society as a whole. In short, we can look forward to a mental health catastrophe the likes of which we have never seen before.

Governments took the view to protect a small percentage of the population - and the long-term consequences? Not good in my view... The psychological effects, economic turmoil (which feed on each other) do not bode well. So sad...
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Old 11.04.2021, 21:18
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During the last eight weeks in the US, the % of COVID hospital patients aged under 50 has increased by more than half from 24% to 37%.
The % of the over 65s in hospital has fallen from 50% to 30%, the actual number fell by two-thirds.
Today there are more under 50s in hospital than over 65s.

Soon we oldies will have to start worrying about protecting the young ones.
I might be misunderstanding but is this not a reflection of the fact that a big majority of the older age group has now been vaccinated? As the oldest people are receiving protection first, wouldn't we expect a decreasingly smaller percentage of them to be in hospital compared with the younger groups? But as I say, I may be misunderstanding the point.
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Old 11.04.2021, 21:54
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I might be misunderstanding but is this not a reflection of the fact that a big majority of the older age group has now been vaccinated? As the oldest people are receiving protection first, wouldn't we expect a decreasingly smaller percentage of them to be in hospital compared with the younger groups? But as I say, I may be misunderstanding the point.
You are correct that the oldest people are receiving protection first, so we expect a decreasingly smaller percentage of them to be in hospital compared with the younger groups?

The problem is the number of under 50s is not tracking down as much as we would expect, it really needs some more weeks of data to better understand the trend and causes.
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Old 11.04.2021, 23:46
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You are correct that the oldest people are receiving protection first, so we expect a decreasingly smaller percentage of them to be in hospital compared with the younger groups?

The problem is the number of under 50s is not tracking down as much as we would expect, it really needs some more weeks of data to better understand the trend and causes.
Absolute number? Or percentage? Presumably one would expect the sub-50s' share of hospitalizations to increase given the vaccination situation that our elephantine friend just outlined.

In any case, apart from wishful thinking, why would one expect the number of hospitalizations of unvaccinated people of any age group to decrease? It's not as though there's been any significant change in precautions against the virus; more likely a reduction in personal precautions precipitated by "COVID fatigue".
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Old 12.04.2021, 00:06
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If anyone wants to travel today, do it. Planes are flying, the worst is some tests and a few days in quarantine.

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but lately they are warming up towards Sputnik.
ohh, God save the CZ
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Because living with a virus doesn't mean living with pandemic. The virus might not go away but the pandemic probably will end relatively soon. At least the current one.
it depends. who gonna end the pandemic? when? by what conditions?
so far I can see some stupid initiatives like zero-covid
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Old 12.04.2021, 08:17
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Depends on how you define young.
According to yesterday's Swiss newspapers, the median age of COVID patients in Swiss hospitals is now 64; not so long ago it was in the high 70's
As the first people to be vaccinated were older, why are you surprised?
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Old 12.04.2021, 09:29
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ohh, God save the CZ
Lol. They aren't waiting for God. (Nor Godot)

The schools reopen there today.
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Re: Coronavirus

Numbers for today are a whopper.

5583 new cases.
7.7 % positivity.
146 hospitalized.
16 deaths.

No numbers from last Monday due to the Easter break.
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Today’s reported numbers

5583 new infections
72'975 Tests
Positivity rate is 7,7 %
146 hospitalisations
16 deaths

https://www.20min.ch/story/das-ist-d...z-136662375229

Last weeks Tuesday numbers for comparison which were 4 days due to the Easter weekend

4932 new infections.
100'076
Positivity rate 4,9 %
175 hospitalisations
20 deaths
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