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From the NY Times.

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The New York Times examined survey and vaccine administration data for nearly every U.S. county and found that both willingness to receive a vaccine and actual vaccination rates to date were lower, on average, in counties where a majority of residents voted to re-elect former President Donald J. Trump in 2020.
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Old 17.04.2021, 21:32
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and this is new reality despite corona. as soon as you dare to ask "uncomfortable" question, you are at risk be banned, fired and so on. "cancel culture"
You mean like Trump two weeks ago
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Old 17.04.2021, 21:35
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Then it is bad contracting, as I said.
I would like to agree with you but I have had a lot of contract writing experience and in real life, "shit happens" and contracts do not protect you from that.
Contracts have to be fair to both sides or courts throw them out so one cannot make them too tough.
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It will not, Switzerland will "Enjoy" worst rates in Europe (again) and summer lockdown.
We all know how lockdowns look like in Switzerland. They are nothing compared with the nearby countries. I reserved 6 hotels/apartments for the long weekends/school holidays for the next 4 months and I know that in the worst case we won't be able to eat in the restaurants and will have to use take away (not a big deal in summer) but otherwise I'm pretty sure that our trips will take place, the cable cars will be operational and we will have holidays according to our plans, lockdowns or not.
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Old 17.04.2021, 21:46
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Darwin was right!
Might not be a bad thing
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Old 17.04.2021, 21:49
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I would like to agree with you but I have had a lot of contract writing experience and in real life, "shit happens" and contracts do not protect you from that.
Contracts have to be fair to both sides or courts throw them out so one cannot make them too tough.
Not showing up at scheduled delivery without prior notification, and no remedy for the affected party sounds normal to you?
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This is something we often discuss with OH and with colleagues here and in the UK (where he 'practised' and taught medicine for 40 years). The fact patients had to be registered with him in UK, and go through a process to change to another GP, meant 2 things. A) they were indeed stuck with each other for a while and b) it gave the GP a great opportunity to discuss and educate over a period of time.

Sometimes, a patient needs to be told the truth, and what is the cause and how to change the outcome without medical treatment or drugs. Being registered with a GP, as in the UK - means that if a patient reacts negatively to advice, for whatever reason- there is normally a way to discuss this again later, and find ways to limit medical intervention or drugs, or choose a different treatment, etc - to work together for a better outcome.

A doctor who gives the patients the drugs and treatment, surgical or otherwise, via referal or not- is not always the best doctor, and does not necessarily provide the best outcome.

A simple example. Patient presents with very bad chest cold, bordering on pneumonia, or full on pneumonia- for 3rd time in a year. Doctor knows s/he is a heavy smoker. Should doctor not upset the patient, and just hand over prescription for antibiotics, 3rd in a year, and over consecutive years a dozen or more. Or offer help and support to try and limit the amount of smoking and/or possibly stop it altogether. Knowing that it is truly in the patient's best interest.

Sometimes we all have to face facts, and that we can, most of us- be our worst enemies, medically speaking too.
I take the view that the role of a gp should be to offer advice on the various options available and then let the patient choose as long as it isn't dangerous or totally mad.
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Old 17.04.2021, 21:58
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It will not, Switzerland will "Enjoy" worst rates in Europe (again) and summer lockdown. Of course SVP and other populist turbos will quietly step out of the room while everyone else in goverment expresses their "shock and surprise" at what happened.
There is now a lot of evidence that the risk of infection outdoors is low so hopefully opening restaurant and bar terraces will be OK.

Opening leisure, sport, and cultural facilities indoors is a crap idea.
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Old 17.04.2021, 22:04
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Re: Coronavirus

Looks like a co-worker had caught it.

He wasn't feeling well and was working remotely 100% (instead of 80%).

Apparently, he had scheduled a few days of vacation in Germany around Easter and had to take a PCR test anyway to reduce quarantine time.

Test came back positive and they called him immediately and repeatedly to make sure he didn't leave the house....

So, better never get tested ;-)
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I take the view that the role of a gp should be to offer advice on the various options available and then let the patient choose as long as it isn't dangerous or totally mad.
exactly.
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Old 17.04.2021, 22:54
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There is now a lot of evidence that the risk of infection outdoors is low
Like 0.1%?
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Like 0.1%?
Or lower...
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Old 18.04.2021, 08:01
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Re: Coronavirus

Outdoor terraces and could be managed relatively easily. i.e. Reservations required, everyone seated, minimum distance, no chair or table moving, etc. But what’s the fun in that?

I’m expecting to see bars with a hoard of boisterous maskless people pushing up at the bar, talking loudly, pushing in. Tables pulled together and chairs moved from table to table. People standing in the buffer areas.

Rules that cannot be enforced are useless.
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Old 18.04.2021, 09:10
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Outdoor terraces and could be managed relatively easily. i.e. Reservations required, everyone seated, minimum distance, no chair or table moving, etc. But what’s the fun in that?

I’m expecting to see bars with a hoard of boisterous maskless people pushing up at the bar, talking loudly, pushing in. Tables pulled together and chairs moved from table to table. People standing in the buffer areas.

Rules that cannot be enforced are useless.
I miss sitting at a table in a café on their terrace, drinking my coffee and watching people passing by. So I'm glad we'll have this possibility again. Never really liked bars, have been only with colleagues because I "had" to so from my part they can stay closed a little bit longer...but why do you think there won't be any fun at an outdoor terrace? Yes, it seems tedious with distancing etc but I think these rules are easy to implement. Maybe I'm a tad subjective here because I come from a "terrace culture" but I don't think I'm the only one who's looking forward to meeting friends and colleagues again at a terrace.

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Old 18.04.2021, 18:57
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You mean like Trump two weeks ago
o, really?
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Like 0.1%?
% of what?
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Grand.

What kind of contractual arrangements are this if BAG did not know of this on Wednesday already?
looks like CH is not impacted , well at least not at the moment.

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Moderna also warned up to 2 million of a planned 12.3 million shots scheduled for delivery in the second quarter would be delayed until the following quarter, according to a report from Reuters. However, a company spokesperson also told the news agency that its deliveries to the EU and Switzerland remain on track.
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Old 19.04.2021, 11:02
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From the NY Times.



Darwin was right!
However medicine has been fighting his theories for a long time, the result is we have a huge vulnerable population which needs to be protected. Had Darwin had his way we would not have needed a lockdown!
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Old 19.04.2021, 11:18
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Seems Switzerland is affected after all

"Delayed vaccine delivery

The delivery of the Moderna vaccine is delayed. The health department of the canton of Bern announced this on Saturday.

The canton was informed by the federal government yesterday evening that the delivery of Moderna vaccine, which had been announced as extensive, had only arrived in very small quantities.

In the press release, the canton of Bern expresses its disappointment that the delivery promise made by the federal government has not been kept. The notification of the delay in vaccine delivery reached the canton one day after the federal government requested it not to keep any second doses in stock - among other things, due to the greatly increased delivery security.

In order to be able to ensure a professional process in the future, the canton of Bern calls on the federal government in its press release to reorient itself in terms of personnel and to transfer responsibility for the delivery and vaccination program to business professionals.

The canton of Bern announced that the delivery bottleneck will not affect the implementation of the vaccination appointments planned for the coming week. However, the scheduling must be adjusted to the new circumstances from the week after next, April 26, 2021."

https://www.bernerzeitung.ch/coronav...n-429171943512
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looks like CH is not impacted , well at least not at the moment.



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Two conflicting reports ... what is the state of the vaccine delivery. Does anyone know??
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Two conflicting reports ... what is the state of the vaccine delivery. Does anyone know??
We were expecting a delivery of 350 k (Moderna) last saturday, but only 70 k arrived.
According to Anne Levy the remaining doses should arrive this week.

If this was a one off remains to be seen.
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