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In Ticino? Certainly not how they are back home.
And then back home they carve the results on the cave wall with a hammer and chisel?
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Old 21.04.2021, 10:45
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And then back home they carve the results on the cave wall with a hammer and chisel?
Only if they have enough oxygen in them caves.
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Glad you agree that weighing is a good method since you could not marshall any counterarguments.
Simply won't be drawn into trading insults or petty jibes.

Yes weighing thousands of identical ballot papers is totally valid. So I am happy you are glad I agree.

If you believe covid (for yesterday THIRTEEN), fatalities are counted, across 26 cantons, by weighing faxes then that is your right to share this opinion. I do not.

Of course, in retrospect there will be mistakes and counting errors that surface. This is not an attempt to rubbish anyone posting figures but I find it very disconcerting that supposed verified government sources have vastly different figures. This for me is worrying given the chaos and misery that lockdown has brought to millions.

I can add my thoughts on, what I think would be easy to implement concepts to prevent spread of Covid to most vulnerable and elderly.

-Supermarkets have a 2 hour window only for elderly to shop.
This could also apply to transport before and after this window (obviously not rush hour)

-Mask testing centre so you could take a sealable plastic bag and deposit your used mask in return for a barcode printout so you can check online. The mask could be tested and the person contacted if required. This would be especially useful if a person was infectious but showing no symptoms.

-Publish the key/major infection mechanisms/places. Is it via families, via schools etc. Maybe this is unknown but the two people I know who have had Covid were asked to supply all recent contacts to trace and followup.
What was the data from all the contact apps that Bars were using last year?

Finally, this is a forum i.e. s place to share ideas and views. I respect views of others.
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Will you test it?
me?!?! absolutely not. for many reasons
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Old 21.04.2021, 12:16
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me?!?! absolutely not. for many reasons
It was a rhetorical question
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Simply won't be drawn into trading insults or petty jibes.

Yes weighing thousands of identical ballot papers is totally valid. So I am happy you are glad I agree.

If you believe covid (for yesterday THIRTEEN), fatalities are counted, across 26 cantons, by weighing faxes then that is your right to share this opinion. I do not.

Of course, in retrospect there will be mistakes and counting errors that surface. This is not an attempt to rubbish anyone posting figures but I find it very disconcerting that supposed verified government sources have vastly different figures. This for me is worrying given the chaos and misery that lockdown has brought to millions.

I can add my thoughts on, what I think would be easy to implement concepts to prevent spread of Covid to most vulnerable and elderly.

-Supermarkets have a 2 hour window only for elderly to shop.
This could also apply to transport before and after this window (obviously not rush hour)


-Mask testing centre so you could take a sealable plastic bag and deposit your used mask in return for a barcode printout so you can check online. The mask could be tested and the person contacted if required. This would be especially useful if a person was infectious but showing no symptoms.

-Publish the key/major infection mechanisms/places. Is it via families, via schools etc. Maybe this is unknown but the two people I know who have had Covid were asked to supply all recent contacts to trace and followup.
What was the data from all the contact apps that Bars were using last year?

Finally, this is a forum i.e. s place to share ideas and views. I respect views of others.
Bit late now!
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Bit late now!
True currently but I think would be an easy-to-implement plan if the scenario worsens again come winter.

My sister is midwife in UK and NHS staff had similar window to shop in isolation. A common sense idea that protects and has very little impact on others.
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Old 21.04.2021, 12:29
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Simply won't be drawn into trading insults or petty jibes.

Yes weighing thousands of identical ballot papers is totally valid. So I am happy you are glad I agree.

If you believe covid (for yesterday THIRTEEN), fatalities are counted, across 26 cantons, by weighing faxes then that is your right to share this opinion. I do not.

Of course, in retrospect there will be mistakes and counting errors that surface. This is not an attempt to rubbish anyone posting figures but I find it very disconcerting that supposed verified government sources have vastly different figures. This for me is worrying given the chaos and misery that lockdown has brought to millions.

I can add my thoughts on, what I think would be easy to implement concepts to prevent spread of Covid to most vulnerable and elderly.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I appreciate it.
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-Supermarkets have a 2 hour window only for elderly to shop.
This could also apply to transport before and after this window (obviously not rush hour)
Worked in CZ but marginally. Since one sick person infects the most vulnerable en mass, potentially. That theory assumes that the 2hr window is safe. It isn't. Unless they are all vaxed, but the pace the new strains show up?

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That would be so imprecise, though. There is a reason why the swipes are done inside of one's body. How long does the virus live outside to give us enough time to have it detected, en mass? It would require somebody taking it directly from you and into a lab. Considering how many masks I go through daily..

I'd think that people would have thought about this already before going through the pains of for example rectal testing.

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In the era of medical secrecy and discretion I can't see that implementable. Nor am I sure how to avoid public reaction when they find a cluster, etc. I think assuming that things aren't safe in general is better than to say at 2pm there were 6 employees sick at that and that take away. They might not have been contageous and it would still kill the business.

.Dunno. Just brainstorming here.
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Old 21.04.2021, 12:54
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Restaurants did not appreciate when they were under the spotlight for this reason. Gyms lobbied for a reopen since contact tracing has not shown a single infection within a gym.

Schools were closed back on March 2020 because it was thought it was too risky. The country was going to hell with children at home, so school was deemed an acceptable risk. However, some schools have closed for a while because 20+ students are infected at the same time.

People just laughed when an infection cluster was traced to a yodeling contest in Schwyz. In contrast people that partied hard outdoors in Jura after the Moutier vote, no cluster of infection. In the same direction, tracing has not shown any cluster related to ski resorts.....which were heavily criticized.

For the moment, it seems indoors and lots of people is recipe for disaster. But, politically is a bit risky to tell any specific activity is bad. Better keep in the current uncertainty that start a witch hunt against certain business.
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Old 21.04.2021, 13:06
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Gyms lobbied for a reopen since contact tracing has not shown a single infection within a gym.
Gyms in Switzerland might have been lucky to have had no outbreaks, but that certainly doesn't mean they are not risky environments. They have had some big problems in Canada.

Quebec City gym linked to more than 400 cases of COVID-19, health authorities say

Spin Classes Lead To Over Sixty People With Coronavirus From One Gym
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Old 21.04.2021, 13:08
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It looks like spinning is equally evil as opera singing. I am doomed.
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Old 21.04.2021, 13:11
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Gyms in Switzerland might have been lucky to have had no outbreaks, but that certainly doesn't mean they are not risky environments. They have had some big problems in Canada.

Quebec City gym linked to more than 400 cases of COVID-19, health authorities say

Spin Classes Lead To Over Sixty People With Coronavirus From One Gym
If they policed the wearing of masks better than last time it could help. From the 2 times I've been to the gym since they reopened, it seem there is better compliance.

As for the spin class, I wouldn't want to be breathing in a semi closed space with 20 people going all out even if there wasn't a virus about!
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So called easing for vaccinated:
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Gyms in Switzerland might have been lucky to have had no outbreaks, but that certainly doesn't mean they are not risky environments. They have had some big problems in Canada.

Quebec City gym linked to more than 400 cases of COVID-19, health authorities say

Spin Classes Lead To Over Sixty People With Coronavirus From One Gym
Indeed, I consider them relatively high risk because lots of people, close to each other and indoors. It's not OK to trust blindly the Swiss data that says gyms are safe, maybe it's just undersampling or bad tracing.

PS. I'm waiting two more weeks before returning to the gym. By then, the sheep impulse of doing what everyone else is doing should have decreased, and some people going too hard after a 4 month break should have injuries. So, less people.
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Restaurants did not appreciate when they were under the spotlight for this reason. Gyms lobbied for a reopen since contact tracing has not shown a single infection within a gym.

Schools were closed back on March 2020 because it was thought it was too risky. The country was going to hell with children at home, so school was deemed an acceptable risk. However, some schools have closed for a while because 20+ students are infected at the same time.

People just laughed when an infection cluster was traced to a yodeling contest in Schwyz. In contrast people that partied hard outdoors in Jura after the Moutier vote, no cluster of infection. In the same direction, tracing has not shown any cluster related to ski resorts.....which were heavily criticized.

For the moment, it seems indoors and lots of people is recipe for disaster. But, politically is a bit risky to tell any specific activity is bad. Better keep in the current uncertainty that start a witch hunt against certain business.
I totally agree that starting a witch hunt against specific sectors is not helpful but hiding information (if known) is also a mystery. If data was released showing house gatherings (for example), are a major factor in propagation then surely this is better than no information.

Good point about gyms lobbying to open as no infections so why is no data available about restaurants shops etc..

For me, the facts should be available and not ongoing switching of policies (for mainly service industry) with no reasoning or justification given.

I am pessimistic that the situation will yoyo through next couple of winters until herd immunity is reached and vaccination is trusted.
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Thank you for sharing your thoughts, I appreciate it.

Worked in CZ but marginally. Since one sick person infects the most vulnerable en mass, potentially. That theory assumes that the 2hr window is safe. It isn't. Unless they are all vaxed, but the pace the new strains show up?

That would be so imprecise, though. There is a reason why the swipes are done inside of one's body. How long does the virus live outside to give us enough time to have it detected, en mass? It would require somebody taking it directly from you and into a lab. Considering how many masks I go through daily..

I'd think that people would have thought about this already before going through the pains of for example rectal testing.


In the era of medical secrecy and discretion I can't see that implementable. Nor am I sure how to avoid public reaction when they find a cluster, etc. I think assuming that things aren't safe in general is better than to say at 2pm there were 6 employees sick at that and that take away. They might not have been contageous and it would still kill the business.

.Dunno. Just brainstorming here.
Re: Mask testing. Agreed, it might not be workable but given that we all have to wear masks to block the virus then for me it is logical to assume that, in a Covid +ve person, there would be virus in the mask material. I don’t know but pretty sure the test works if cells are present i.e. RNA to test
Perhaps there would never be enough “virus” in a mask to possibly detect.
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Todays published numbers 2686 out of 29 k tests.

127 hospitalisations
8 death

https://www.20min.ch/story/das-ist-d...z-136662375229

Compared to last week wednesday

2601 out of 37 k tests

89 hospitalisations
14 death
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Todays published numbers 2686 out of 29 k tests.

127 hospitalisations
8 death

https://www.20min.ch/story/das-ist-d...z-136662375229

Compared to last week wednesday

2601 out of 37 k tests

89 hospitalisations
14 death
9% positivity rate today.
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Yep & test numbers are down significantly - I wonder if that has to do with these at home tests? Will we have an actual clear picture of what the numbers are now?

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be going to the doctor out in the public if I tested positive, unless I really needed urgent care...
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Yep & test numbers are down significantly - I wonder if that has to do with these at home tests? Will we have an actual clear picture of what the numbers are now?

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be going to the doctor out in the public if I tested positive, unless I really needed urgent care...
I was thinking the same regarding the home tests, so in hindsight I dont think those were a good idea.
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