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Yep & test numbers are down significantly - I wonder if that has to do with these at home tests? Will we have an actual clear picture of what the numbers are now?

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be going to the doctor out in the public if I tested positive, unless I really needed urgent care...
I thought the instructions were pretty much "if quick test is positive, go get proper tested"?

I get the feeling that we've lost a significant portion of the negative results to the home tests, whilst the positives remain the same.
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I thought the instructions were pretty much "if quick test is positive, go get proper tested"?
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Old 21.04.2021, 14:44
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It looks like spinning is equally evil as opera singing. I am doomed.
Spinning? Could anything be more harmless?

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If they policed the wearing of masks better than last time it could help. From the 2 times I've been to the gym since they reopened, it seem there is better compliance.

As for the spin class, I wouldn't want to be breathing in a semi closed space with 20 people going all out even if there wasn't a virus about!
You shouldn't wear a mask while physically exerting yourself, and tbh there is no way it significantly helps in an enclosed environment you are staying in for an extended period if airborne virus is flying around. Personally i'd just avoid until vaccinated.
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I thought the instructions were pretty much "if quick test is positive, go get proper tested"?

I get the feeling that we've lost a significant portion of the negative results to the home tests, whilst the positives remain the same.
The instructions of home tests are also "if you get symptoms, go get proper tested". I wonder if people are following this -- possibly they do this much less now and still rely on the home tests.
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I thought the instructions were pretty much "if quick test is positive, go get proper tested"?

I get the feeling that we've lost a significant portion of the negative results to the home tests, whilst the positives remain the same.
I also think that many negative results are lost to home tests. I think this could be the reason why the measures were relaxed despite the positivity rate condition was not fulfilled -- this number is not possible to measure accurately.
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Yep & test numbers are down significantly - I wonder if that has to do with these at home tests? Will we have an actual clear picture of what the numbers are now?

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be going to the doctor out in the public if I tested positive, unless I really needed urgent care...
You have to report yourself if you get infected. You also have to name all your contacts, they will be informed and asked to quarantine. I think this should not be skipped.
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Old 21.04.2021, 15:00
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I thought the instructions were pretty much "if quick test is positive, go get proper tested"?

I get the feeling that we've lost a significant portion of the negative results to the home tests, whilst the positives remain the same.
And we've seen throughout this pandemic that people have been following instructions?

I wouldn't leave the house, I would stay in bed. Going out and exerting myself + spreading it further would not be my priority. If I tested positive with no symptoms, then I would consider it.
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Old 21.04.2021, 15:03
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You shouldn't wear a mask while physically exerting yourself, and tbh there is no way it significantly helps in an enclosed environment you are staying in for an extended period if airborne virus is flying around. Personally i'd just avoid until vaccinated.
I don't see anything wrong with wearing a mask whilst exercising indoors.

I'm not there for endurance training, I'm there to pick things up and put them down again as an argument against the futility of life, knowing the pain will come later, and the only benefit will be to be able to pick up bigger things.

Strength training has exertion, but HR and breathing stays relatively low in comparison to a spin class at least.
For anything high HR related, it's at home or out on the bike.
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Old 21.04.2021, 15:07
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And we've seen throughout this pandemic that people have been following instructions?

I wouldn't leave the house, I would stay in bed. Going out and exerting myself + spreading it further would not be my priority. If I tested positive with no symptoms, then I would consider it.
People are terrible at following the rules, and I don't bother policing other peoples behavior anymore as it only leads to becoming frustrated.

I understand where you're coming from, but as a way to fend off depression and being a fat bollix with all its long term effects, I'll go to the gym, or go for a run or cycle around the place.
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Old 21.04.2021, 15:08
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Indeed, I consider them relatively high risk because lots of people, close to each other and indoors. It's not OK to trust blindly the Swiss data that says gyms are safe, maybe it's just undersampling or bad tracing.

PS. I'm waiting two more weeks before returning to the gym. By then, the sheep impulse of doing what everyone else is doing should have decreased, and some people going too hard after a 4 month break should have injuries. So, less people.
Could be. Or it could be as here where gyms are still empty, except noon when there is half the allowed number. In two weeks people's anxiousness will wear off and there will be more people.
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Old 21.04.2021, 15:13
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Restaurants did not appreciate when they were under the spotlight for this reason. Gyms lobbied for a reopen since contact tracing has not shown a single infection within a gym.

Schools were closed back on March 2020 because it was thought it was too risky. The country was going to hell with children at home, so school was deemed an acceptable risk. However, some schools have closed for a while because 20+ students are infected at the same time.

People just laughed when an infection cluster was traced to a yodeling contest in Schwyz. In contrast people that partied hard outdoors in Jura after the Moutier vote, no cluster of infection. In the same direction, tracing has not shown any cluster related to ski resorts.....which were heavily criticized.

For the moment, it seems indoors and lots of people is recipe for disaster. But, politically is a bit risky to tell any specific activity is bad. Better keep in the current uncertainty that start a witch hunt against certain business.
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The Austrian ski town that spread coronavirus across the Continent.
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Old 21.04.2021, 15:16
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You could argue it was a restaurant/pub/club. The fact that it catered to foreigners on their holidays whilst located in a ski resort is all just a coincidence.
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Old 21.04.2021, 15:32
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That's a great example of taking decisions with incomplete information. Ski stations were closed in the rest of Europe. Meanwhile in Switzerland stations opened but all restaurants and bars close, if you want to ski, then ski and no more.

So, was the witch hunt against outdoor snow sports worth? What was won by taking decisions based on published information about the infection happened in a ski resort?

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Old 21.04.2021, 16:41
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A Swiss woman in Ishgl was Patient 0...she got infected in CH on Feb 5 and worked in a bar in Ishgl. Nothing to do with skiing, really.
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Old 21.04.2021, 16:51
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So, nobody talking about the Fed Council stage plan?

Stage 2 opening to start end of May, provided things stay under control and risk groups vaxxed with 2 shots. Potentially indoor restaurants, wfh reco instead of obligation.

Stage 3 from end of July, assuming all who wish have been vaxxed by then. Pretty much full reopening.

That's the plan. Sounds reasonable, but has quite some delay risks b/c of vaccine supply.
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Old 21.04.2021, 16:56
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So, nobody talking about the Fed Council stage plan?

Stage 2 opening to start end of May, provided things stay under control and risk groups vaxxed with 2 shots. Potentially indoor restaurants, wfh reco instead of obligation.

Stage 3 from end of July, assuming all who wish have been vaxxed by then. Pretty much full reopening.

That's the plan. Sounds reasonable, but has quite some delay risks b/c of vaccine supply.
I forgot there was a thing today. Stage 2 is pretty big with the indoor restaurants being available. Then again it'll be summer so they'll all be mostly empty anyway.

Thanks for the summary.
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Old 21.04.2021, 16:58
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A Swiss woman in Ishgl was Patient 0...she got infected in CH on Feb 5 and worked in a bar in Ishgl. Nothing to do with skiing, really.
You are moving the goalposts!

The OP wrote "tracing has not shown any cluster related to ski resorts", Ishgl is a ski resort?
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Woohoo! I got a vaccine appointment in Bern for next week. I am one happy gal.

For those in risk group E, they are open now.
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Old 21.04.2021, 17:09
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You are moving the goalposts!

The OP wrote "tracing has not shown any cluster related to ski resorts", Ishgl is a ski resort?
Purely pedantic, Ishgl is a town full of things surrounded by a ski resort. It looks like the moved the goalposts to the next town. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fu...2!4d10.2442799
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