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Herd Immunity for measles is 93-96%.
What does this have to do with coronavirus?
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Old 13.05.2021, 20:48
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What does this have to do with coronavirus?
It's a comparison perhaps - for interests sake.
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Herd Immunity for measles is 93-96%.
The measles vaccine is also one of the most effective vaccines available (97 or 98% IIRC) and gives lifelong immunity.
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What does this have to do with coronavirus?
a comparison of something we've all known for ages to something we ain't got a clue about.
I thought that measles-info was interesting.
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The measles vaccine is also one of the most effective vaccines available (97 or 98% IIRC) and gives lifelong immunity.
Just like going through it once then.

But then that would lead to the conclusion that measles don't seem to mutate while we already know covid does. Hmmm, there goes the usefulness of the comparison.
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a comparison of something we've all known for ages to something we ain't got a clue about.
I thought that measles-info was interesting.

Just like going through it once then.

But then that would lead to the conclusion that measles don't seem to mutate while we already know covid does. Hmmm, there goes the usefulness of the comparison.
Measles virus undergoes error-prone replication [mutation] like other RNA viruses, for some unknown reason, these do not make the vaccine or natural immunity ineffective.
There are theories that the reason is related to the fact that the glycoproteins of measles are highly inflexible.
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Don’t bother , the chances of me reading anything you cant be bothered to look up again is drastically less likely.

90something percent in Scotland says it all.



Thanks for a reasoned reply. OK, I’m antagonistic and I know this forum is what it is , and not a technical reference point for Covid. To state figures is misleading also, for example 95%. Children and teens and not developing Covid so 100% with without vaccine.
I saw this figure for >80yrs group.

So as this is not a medical forum and I seem to be winding up members I will think to not challenge / attempt to debate other views.
can you provide where is there information about "Children and teens and not developing Covid so 100% with without vaccine." coming from - as you were asking for some support of the statements ?

if that would be the case - why on earth would Pfizer/Modena test , develop and ask for approval for vaccine for children and why would any government ask/pay for it since it seems to be a common knowledge ?

"Mortality (43 states, NYC, PR and GU reported)*

"Children were 0.00%-0.21% of all COVID-19 deaths, and 9 states reported zero child deaths
​In states reporting, 0.00%-0.03% of all child COVID-19 cases resulted in death"

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"Summary of Findings (data available as of 5/6/21) :

Cumulative Number of Child COVID-19 Cases*

3,854,791 total child COVID-19 cases reported, and children represented 14.0% (3,854,791/27,621,153) of all cases
Overall rate: 5,122 cases per 100,000 children in the population"


https://services.aap.org/en/pages/20...l-data-report/

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Re: Coronavirus

I was on the phone with a close friend a bit ago. She lives in the US and had Covid about four months ago and is still suffering from "Long Covid" now. She keeps getting bad fevers and has no energy. She's 48 years old. I guess her husband and teenage daughter also have "Long Covid" and her 7-year old grandson developed severe inflammation in his legs due to Covid (I can't remember the medical term for it) that caused him to not be able to walk for a few weeks. He had to be put on steroids for it. My friend was telling me how angry she gets when someone tries to refer to Covid as being "the flu."

My husband has a co-worker who is also suffering from "Long Covid." He's in his 50's and has reduced his work hours significantly due to having an inability to concentrate (what I guess is referred to as "brain fog").

It just blows my mind that some people would rather leave themselves exposed to such a nasty virus than to be vaccinated for it.
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I slowly start to realise there is on this thread 10-types of people , these that understand binary and these that don't.

Seems that being factual actually "kills the discussion" here - however whenever we hear opinions supported by "100%, absolutely , never , always," - discussions starts.

I do not understand how virus that spreads to animals would suddenly not do so for let's say "black"(no offence) or these with 190cm or motorbike riders .

We share the same genetics with 0.1% variation between most 'distant' humans - so we may assume that at best 0.1% is not affected - when children are like 25% of global population - they must be affected - they have the same proteins as their parents where virus attaches . We simply do not know what the impact on them is and they do not get hospitalised that often as adults - that's about it.
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My husband has a co-worker who is also suffering from "Long Covid." He's in his 50's and has reduced his work hours significantly due to having an inability to concentrate (what I guess is referred to as "brain fog").
By no means it is medical advise - while it's experience I made myself with regards to "brain fog"as matter of some experiment and it's what is my personal experience : switching to keton bodies as a source of energy resulted in "no fog" ..even so I did not realise I had it .
Maybe something your husband could advise to check to his coworker with his doctor .
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Re: Coronavirus

US CDC has announced that 2 weeks after full vaccination people no longer need to social distance or wear masks indoors or outdoors except where they are formally obligated like public transport.

Presumably, the Swiss had some forewarning which explains their recent announcement.
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people no longer need to social distance or wear masks indoors or outdoors except where they are formally obligated like public transport.
They don't have to wear masks except for the places where they are formally obliged to wear it? How is it different from current situation? Do many American were masks in the situation when they are not obliged to do it?
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US CDC has announced that 2 weeks after full vaccination people no longer need to social distance or wear masks indoors or outdoors except where they are formally obligated like public transport.

Presumably, the Swiss had some forewarning which explains their recent announcement.
The concept of "you can still spread it" if you've been fully vaccinated without caveat goes against the very concept of herd immunity that we have understood previously and constantly observed in fights against measles and the like.

That said, I do understand that while the rollout is ongoing the mask requirement may be justified from a policing rather than health perspective as they won't be able to tell who has had the vaccine and thus should be free from the requirement.

Once the rollout is complete we need to move away from the suggestion that we need to be wearing the things.

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They don't have to wear masks except for the places where they are formally obliged to wear it? How is it different from current situation? Do many American were masks in the situation when they are not obliged to do it?
I think it's a message that from a public health perspective the requirement is unjustifiable and that they can invite people into their homes etc. without fear. Obviously had to make clear that people must follow the law.
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The concept of "you can still spread it" if you've been fully vaccinated without caveat goes against the very concept of herd immunity that we have understood previously and constantly observed in fights against measles and the like.

That said, I do understand that while the rollout is ongoing the mask requirement may be justified from a policing rather than health perspective as they won't be able to tell who has had the vaccine and thus should be free from the requirement.

Once the rollout is complete we need to move away from the suggestion that we need to be wearing the things.
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It is not enforceable. So those who cannot vax will be living in paralel, covid free reality? I can't see that happening. The world is getting ready to vax everyone every 9 months so a few who cannot vax wouldn't be excluded from society.
There is an ideal thought of a complete roll-out. And the virus not mutating. I think another problem will be the population running out of immunity in different times while compliancy fades. Faking vax passports. Travel (after 1st dose? 2nd? 10th? against which strain?) It will boil down to those at risk re-vaxing the next round of 9mo. But not everyone, I can't see that enforceable. What is considered "at risk' status will depend on every individual, their health and their personal responsibility. Same with masks. You cannot impose them indefinitely. Those who cannot vax will have to adjust their lives to this risk which since last winter is with us. It will not go away.
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They don't have to wear masks except for the places where they are formally obliged to wear it? How is it different from current situation? Do many American were masks in the situation when they are not obliged to do it?
Previously CDC advised Americans to wear masks when leaving home with 3 in 4 adults reporting they had adopted the recommendation in a national internet survey.
That was advice not legally enforceable like on public transport.
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From the BBC this morning.
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Coronavirus vaccines have saved 11,700 lives and stopped 33,000 people becoming seriously ill with Covid-19 in England, research suggests.
The Public Health England analysis, up to the end of April, found people in their 70s and 80s had seen the biggest fall in deaths and hospital admissions.
Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the figures were "remarkable".
Getting a vaccine is "one of the most important things you will be asked to do in your lifetime", he added.
You can read the report here https://www.gov.uk/government/news/c...nce-of-success
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The concept of "you can still spread it" if you've been fully vaccinated without caveat goes against the very concept of herd immunity that we have understood previously and constantly observed in fights against measles and the like.

That said, I do understand that while the rollout is ongoing the mask requirement may be justified from a policing rather than health perspective as they won't be able to tell who has had the vaccine and thus should be free from the requirement.

Once the rollout is complete we need to move away from the suggestion that we need to be wearing the things.
Just 8 weeks ago:

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Dr. Anthony Fauci: "Here we go again with the theater. Let's get down to the facts."
Just following The Science

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https://www.c-span.org/video/?509827...demic-response
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Is Fauci worried about the fact that the vaccine isn't 100% efficient or the fact that you can't tell the vaxers from non-vaxers? Unless they have a t-shirt, of course.

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Fauci in that meme reacts like a Chinese government. I bet he knows about Dr. Li Wenliang, an opthalmologist, RIP.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc...a-51403795.amp

It was an opthalmologist, who whistleblew Covid at the beginning of the pandemics and paid for it. He died of Covid too, at his young age, and I wonder about his death.
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