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For what it's worth, here is a real life example from my Dr., not a scientific study, so take it for what it is.

He said he's seeing immunity levels between 0-4 (not sure of units) in people with two doses of vaccine. Of the 300+ cases of Covid he's had, most have immunity of over 5, most between 5-10, and those with severe cases, over 15. In his experience, people who had the disease have much higher levels of immunity. And for what it's worth, of his 300+ covid patients, 3 died, they were 93, 99, and 100 years old.

I had a very severe reaction to first dose of vaccine (phizer). Post-poned second dose to be antibody tested. Lab tests came back with sky high immunity of 18 that my Dr says is in top 10% of all he's seen, thus, he confirms I've apparently had covid (didn't know it) and have much higher protection than most of the patients he's seen.
The cases observed are almost certainly going to be more severe than those which went unnoticed, on average. So there's a element of selection bias in this data.
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Can you read it for me?


Based on reading it just now, I have decided to carry on as normal.
Get yourself some of those self-tests and test yourself everyday. Why not? Were you in close contact, for how long & were you wearing a mask?

My company handled it rather loosely, which is why I was so happy to finally have the work from home mandate. Whoever was in a meeting with an infected employee had to stay home for a few days and get tested regularly on the company dime ... but, the only way to know who was in a meeting with the COVID-19 positive person was to ask the sick person, which isn't that reliable. I only found out weeks later that I was in a long 1:1 meeting with someone who had COVID-19. Never mind that we shared small bathrooms, elevators and open space desk seating too - I guess only "meeting rooms" count for contracting COVID-19 in an office ...
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Old 25.05.2021, 17:25
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Get yourself some of those self-tests and test yourself everyday. Why not? Were you in close contact, for how long & were you wearing a mask?

My company handled it rather loosely, which is why I was so happy to finally have the work from home mandate. Whoever was in a meeting with an infected employee had to stay home for a few days and get tested regularly on the company dime ... but, the only way to know who was in a meeting with the COVID-19 positive person was to ask the sick person, which isn't that reliable. I only found out weeks later that I was in a long 1:1 meeting with someone who had COVID-19. Never mind that we shared small bathrooms, elevators and open space desk seating too - I guess only "meeting rooms" count for contracting COVID-19 in an office ...
We were both wearing masks. Meeting was around 75mins. I tested and was negative. Have only two more tests left. Only 1test box a month is given from what I understood. I was 2m away from the guy most of the time.
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Old 25.05.2021, 17:49
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Todays published numbers (fri, sat, sun & mon combined) 2770 out of 88 k tests
In ZH we have the lowest 7 days average since October 6.
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We were both wearing masks. Meeting was around 75mins. I tested and was negative. Have only two more tests left. Only 1test box a month is given from what I understood. I was 2m away from the guy most of the time.
The most important thing is how many hours ago did your meeting took place before that guy had first symptoms/ positive test (whatever came first). I think if it was more than 48 hours before that than you shouldn't do anything. And if it was within 48 hours, you should be contacted by contact tracers.

My father got coronavirus from his colleague when they were both wearing masks, but they were sitting near each other at the table. And that person was tested positive on the next day after the meeting.

If you still have no symptoms on the 5th day and your self test is negative most probably you were not infected.
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And.....it's a breathalizer

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By now maybe. Although what is a risk group kept changing and a friend (diabetic) got infected and is still struggling.
Hope it goes well for your friend. G't Besserung
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We were both wearing masks. Meeting was around 75mins. I tested and was negative. Have only two more tests left. Only 1test box a month is given from what I understood. I was 2m away from the guy most of the time.
When did you test? A self test will only show about 5 days after infection…
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Sure there will be a decline in antibodies, but what about T cell response? I posted a paper suggesting that natural immunity from Covid lasts at least a year.

I find it odd that previously infected people are being advised to get the vaccine with the reason given that "we don't know how long natural immunity lasts", whereas exactly the same is true for the vaccines.
The same is true for vaccines and there’s been plenty of talk of a booster being potentially needed after about 6 months. This could further boost immunity or protect against other variants.

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The same is true for vaccines and there’s been plenty of talk of a booster being potentially needed after about 6 months. This could further boost immunity or protect against other variants.

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But when long established scientific convention like natural immunity is seemingly disregarded. Or when children, to which Covid presents an minute risk, are encouraged to be vaccinated with hastily developed vaccines, there are those people start to believe that there is!
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Old 25.05.2021, 21:44
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But when long established scientific convention like natural immunity is seemingly disregarded. Or when children, to which Covid presents an minute risk, are encouraged to be vaccinated with hastily developed vaccines, there are those people start to believe that there is!
Swiss children are also vaccinated against Tetanus and far fewer die from that than from COVID.
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Swiss children are also vaccinated against Tetanus and far fewer die from that than from COVID.
To put it in perspective 2 children aged 0-9 have died with Covid in Switzerland and and one of those deaths was a child suffering from meningitis (suggesting a "with" death given the relative danger of Covid in children and meningitis).

If we don't need them for herd immunity I think it's not disproportionate to wait a bit for the smaller children at least.

I say this as a young adult who thinks the benefits are overwhelming for me personally.
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But when long established scientific convention like natural immunity is seemingly disregarded. Or when children, to which Covid presents an minute risk, are encouraged to be vaccinated with hastily developed vaccines, there are those people start to believe that there is!
Is it disregarded? Even you admit that natural infection due to covid doesn’t give permanent immunity.
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It's going to be a while before we have anything conclusive.
'xactly. You go by what's reasonbly solidified knowledge.

Just like the WHO went with the information they had gotten from China early on when they said that there's no evidence of human-to-human transmission - until there was, in mid-january IIRC.

Remember:
absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
This principle applies to quite a few points you keep trying to make.
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The first studies are already showing that natural immunity is very effective
Effective against the virus strains that have appeared so far. What's in line yet is unknowable, even by you.
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We don't need for it to be conclusive though before making an informed decision. We're now approaching 170m million reported cases of Covid in the world now, if reinfection was a significant risk, and natural immunity not significant, we'd have heard about it by now.
Again, it's unknown how long natural immunity lasts, and it's unknowable how effective it is against new strains.
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Old 26.05.2021, 07:52
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When did you test? A self test will only show about 5 days after infection…

Exactly 5 full days have passed since I met the guy. I did the latest test just now (negative).
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Old 26.05.2021, 08:03
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Heard a joke recently, a Flat-Earther dies and meets God...

Flat Earther- God, is the Earth flat or round?
God- Obviously round!

(Flat Earther looks extremely disappointed and sad)

Flat Earther- I was so wrong, this conspiracy runs lot higher than I thought
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Again, it's unknown how long natural immunity lasts, and it's unknowable how effective it is against new strains.
nothing is known, but everyone sure its ineffective...ooookey
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In ZH we have the lowest 7 days average since October 6.
Neuchâtel has downgraded from red alert level directly to yellow without passing via orange, hopefully it will be blue again before too long.

It’s about time the federation changed the poster colours, I’ve had enough of seeing the red ones now. Maybe they’ll announce that today.
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For what it's worth, here is a real life example from my Dr., not a scientific study, so take it for what it is.

He said he's seeing immunity levels between 0-4 (not sure of units) in people with two doses of vaccine. Of the 300+ cases of Covid he's had, most have immunity of over 5, most between 5-10, and those with severe cases, over 15. In his experience, people who had the disease have much higher levels of immunity. And for what it's worth, of his 300+ covid patients, 3 died, they were 93, 99, and 100 years old.

I had a very severe reaction to first dose of vaccine (phizer). Post-poned second dose to be antibody tested. Lab tests came back with sky high immunity of 18 that my Dr says is in top 10% of all he's seen, thus, he confirms I've apparently had covid (didn't know it) and have much higher protection than most of the patients he's seen.
Hmm, maybe you have had it, maybe not. Correlation does not imply causation and all that.

A very severe reaction could have other explanations. Anyways, now that they saw the vaccine was very effective after the first dose, are you going to take the second dose too? Postpone it?
Perhaps they should run these tests on everyone, before and after the first dose. But that would be a very difficult task.
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"Top researchers are calling for a real investigation into the origin of covid-19"

https://www.technologyreview.com/202...box=1621282482
Seems the US State Department was running such an investigation but it was stopped after a panel of outside scientists reviewed the findings.
When scientists looked at the data, during a 3-hour long meeting in early January, the evidence collected up until that point appeared inconclusive and misguided.

Assistant Secretary Chris Ford sent a memo to a handful of department officials, including top leadership, urging caution about the group's findings.
Ford called aspects of the analysis "gravely flawed" and urged officials "against suggesting that there is anything inherently suspicious -- and suggestive of biological warfare activity -- about People's Liberation Army involvement at WIV on classified projects."
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