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Old 14.06.2021, 16:30
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70% of the adult population is vaccinated, vaccines have broken the link between infections and hospitalizations/deaths.

Edit: and 99% of risk group led a fully vaccinated too!!
Correction: 40% of the adult population is fully vaccinated. Apparently, one single shot is a lot less effective against the delta variant.
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Old 14.06.2021, 16:32
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Still a concern. Not going to get blase about it. Can still catch it if vaccinated. I live in an area where the Delta variant is rife. You can present all the stats you like, doesn't change the lived reality for millions. There hasn't been enough time or evidence yet to determine the effect, if any, of a "broken link".

Sauce: OH. Vaxx bloke.
There's plenty of evidence that the vaccines are effective, anyhow if you take that view then you'll never come out of lockdown. Variants are going to be around forever.

Ironic thing is that people in the UK aren't allowed to go on holiday to protect them from a variant that's already rife in the country!
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Old 14.06.2021, 16:37
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Re: Coronavirus

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...uk-2021-06-09/


"It's well within possibility that we could see another third wave at least comparable in terms of hospitalisations," he said.
"I think deaths probably would be lower, the vaccines are having a highly protective effect... still it could be quite worrying. But there is a lot of uncertainty."


Not effective enough apparently to avoid hospitalisation
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Old 14.06.2021, 16:40
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Re: Coronavirus

Meanwhile in Switzerland and Liechtenstein (up to 11.06.2021) https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/epid...c/vacc-persons

People with at least one dose: 3 589 159 41,52%
Fully vaccinated people 2 221 755 25,70%
Partially vaccinated 1 367 404 15,82%
Reports of suspected reactions: 2 701 0,07% (of 1st doses)

I guess this is why there is further relaxation of measures next June 28th.
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We are probably talking about different countries. People in Kiev are standing in line for a few hours to get CoronaVac - a Chinese vaccine with low effectiveness. All my acquaintances in Ukraine apart from two high school/university teachers who were very lucky to get Pfizer got vaccinated either with Indian/South Korean AZ or with CoronaVac. Pfizer is only delivered in about a hundred thousand doses every few months and the population is 40 Mio.
we are talking about same country, but got info from different sources, apparently
people in non urban areas is very concern about the vaccines
anyway, my wife's relatives got Pfizer shots, afaik
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There's plenty of evidence that the vaccines are effective, anyhow if you take that view then you'll never come out of lockdown. Variants are going to be around forever.

Ironic thing is that people in the UK aren't allowed to go on holiday to protect them from a variant that's already rife in the country!
I've just been on holiday. Was lovely.

That's not what I said - I said I wasn't going to get blase about it. I have a flu jab each year too and never run whilst holding a chainsaw. Tbh I never run: I have people who run for me.

You'd maybe understand a little more if you had spent any significant time in the UK over the past year or so. Wait. Lockdown. Hmmm...


Johnson is just about to announce the delay in lifting the final lock of restrictions mostly due to the significant rise in cases. You may not like it/believe it, TC, but the concern is real, as is the threat.

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Old 14.06.2021, 19:14
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Re: Coronavirus

If this data on hospitalizations is right, all is good despite the lower first shot efficacy against infection:

"The two Covid vaccines most in use in the UK are "highly effective" in preventing hospital admission with the Delta variant, new data from Public Health England suggests.

Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca jabs can cope as well with the variant first identified in India as the Alpha variant first identified in Kent, the research found.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was found to be 94% effective against hospital admission after just one dose, and 96% after two doses.

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was found to be 71% effective against hospital admission after one dose, and 92% after two doses.

PHE says the protection against death is expected to be high, although further research is taking place."


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/uk-57466097
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Old 14.06.2021, 19:43
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Re: Coronavirus

I just thought I'd give a little head's up in case this ends up being relevant for anyone else... There is apparently a nasty "RS Virus" going around right now.

I had my 2nd shot of the vaccine last Wednesday. The next day, my 9-year old son began showing symptoms of a cold. It began with a sore throat, then quickly progressed to a head cold and a fever that lasted for about 2 days. By Saturday, I had finally caught his virus and yesterday (Sunday), I was so ill that I spent the entire day in bed. It was a challenge just to walk to the kitchen. I was running a fever of 38.7. And all I could think was "Great. I finally get the second shot and yet now I've caught Covid because the vaccine isn't going to kick in for another two weeks."

So then today I called my doctor (being Monday) and they said to have my son get tested for Covid. So I took him in and his doctor ended up doing a rapid test on both of us (and also submitted my sample for a regular PCR test). Both of our rapid tests came back negative. His doctor said that there are a lot of kids falling ill with an "RS Virus" right now -- a respiratory virus that most people get during the winter -- and that the reason it's going around now is because last winter, people were social distancing and wearing masks more, so the virus was spreading less easier than usual.

Anyhoo... This RS Virus is a doozy, if you get it -- or can be. (So far, my husband doesn't have it). But if you do start to get symptoms, get tested and don't freak out, because what you have may very well not be Covid.
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Old 14.06.2021, 20:06
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If this data on hospitalizations is right, all is good despite the lower first shot efficacy against infection:

"The two Covid vaccines most in use in the UK are "highly effective" in preventing hospital admission with the Delta variant, new data from Public Health England suggests.

Both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Oxford-AstraZeneca jabs can cope as well with the variant first identified in India as the Alpha variant first identified in Kent, the research found.

The Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was found to be 94% effective against hospital admission after just one dose, and 96% after two doses.

The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was found to be 71% effective against hospital admission after one dose, and 92% after two doses.

PHE says the protection against death is expected to be high, although further research is taking place."


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Johnson is just about to announce the delay in lifting the final lock of restrictions mostly due to the significant rise in cases. You may not like it/believe it, TC, but the concern is real, as is the threat.

As I said, evidence shows vaccines work find against the Indian/Delta variant. Utterly tragic that the UK is now delaying reopening when the vast majority are vaccinated and those most likely to be affected (let's not forget that age plays a massive role) are fully vaccinated.

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I've just been on holiday. Was lovely.
Pontins was it?
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Old 14.06.2021, 22:05
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As I said, evidence shows vaccines work find against the Indian/Delta variant. Utterly tragic that the UK is now delaying reopening when the vast majority are vaccinated and those most likely to be affected (let's not forget that age plays a massive role) are fully vaccinated
Utterly tragic ... with 44% fully vaccinated, in my view the decision is justifiable.
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Old 14.06.2021, 22:14
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Utterly tragic ... with 44% fully vaccinated, in my view the decision is justifiable.
78% have received one dose, 55% have received both doses. One dose gives at least 70% protection against hospitilization. Everyone who is high risk has received both doses. This zero Covid mentality is bonkers!

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Old 14.06.2021, 22:21
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Re: Coronavirus

OK, Our World In Data said 44 + 17 per 13/06. Utterly shocking.

Wait a minute. Per the UKGov link, 41 million people (78%) had their first dose? So the UK has a population of 52 million???
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Old 14.06.2021, 22:26
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Re: Coronavirus

Just downloaded my Covid certificate. It's only valid for 6 months. I was really hoping the BAG would rethink that. My youngest son was fully vaccinated in January as he works in a hospital ... what now for him and everyone else who was vaccinated in the earlier part of the year?
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OK, Our World In Data said 44 + 17 per 13/06. Utterly shocking.

Wait a minute. Per the UKGov link, 41 million people (78%) had their first dose? So the UK has a population of 52 million???
78% of adults surely
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Old 14.06.2021, 22:31
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78% of adults surely
Texts says people, but I guess that's what they mean.
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Just downloaded my Covid certificate. It's only valid for 6 months. I was really hoping the BAG would rethink that. My youngest son was fully vaccinated in January as he works in a hospital ... what now for him and everyone else who was vaccinated in the earlier part of the year?
I believe that this will be extended before it runs out.
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Re: Coronavirus

I was just reading through some of the earliest posts in this thread, from January 2020. It's interesting (for lack of better words) to see people being accused of overreacting if they were expressing concern about Covid-19 and a pandemic back then.

And now here we are... One and a half years later.

I'm not sure how many people here know someone who has died due to Covid-19. I now know three who have died as well as one woman in her 60s who may never walk again due to Covid. And my best friend who had to resign from her job as a professor of psychology at a university due to "Long-Covid."

Anyways, I'm not trying to point fingers or anything, but it would be interesting to know how many people who thought others were overreacting back then would now be willing to admit that they were wrong to criticize others for expressing concern.
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Texts says people, but I guess that's what they mean.
Everyone above 50 could be double vaccinated by now and they can do everyone in their 40s very quickly by reducing the 12 week gap to 8 (they have the AZ in stock which they aren't using for the below 40s).

That leaves:

18-24 still waiting for their first dose - for this age group COVID is less serious than influenza. See CDC

25-39 with one dose. Already low risk, with one dose very low

And antivaxxers with none. On their head be it. Surprise surprise this is the cohort where most of the recent seriously ill have come from.

I cannot for the life of me see the justification for delaying reopening. The mortality excluding antivaxxers Must be minute now. Certainly below influenza for the unvaccinated.
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Old 14.06.2021, 22:49
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Everyone above 50 could be double vaccinated by now and they can do everyone in their 40s very quickly by reducing the 12 week gap to 8 (they have the AZ in stock which they aren't using for the below 40s).

That leaves:

18-24 still waiting for their first dose - for this age group COVID is less serious than influenza. See CDC

25-39 with one dose. Already low risk, with one dose very low

And antivaxxers with none. On their head be it. Surprise surprise this is the cohort where most of the seriously ill have come from.

I cannot for the life of me see the justification for delaying reopening. The mortality excluding antivaxxers Must be minute now.
Well, I guess reducing the vaxx gap "very quickly" is exactly what they have in mind by these 2-4 weeks. And the remaining restrictions don't seem particularly terrible. But what do I know?

World class Switzerland now at 42% with first dose
(Of population, not of adults ...)
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Re: Coronavirus

I have a feeling that a lot of people in the UK have refused to get the vax because (I think) their only option has been Astra Zeneca. A good friend of mine who is in his 40s and lives just outside of London calls it the "blood-clotting vax" and was nervous about getting his shot(s). He had a nasty reaction after the first dose and said that he now has to wait to see if he develops any clots after 30 days. He is a bit of a hypochondriac, though. But I think that if I took a vaccine with a possibility of developing blood clots from it, I'd be worried as well.

If they want more people to get the vaccine in the UK, it sounds like giving them options other than AstraZeneca might be a good way to help encourage them.
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