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Mucus is not a covid symptom
it was about pneumonia
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The symptoms listed are those of pneumonia.
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Old 16.06.2021, 16:54
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Mucus is not a covid symptom
Just an ignorant layman comparison with the purpose of showing the body takes and awful long time to heal. No more.
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Old 16.06.2021, 17:01
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The symptoms listed are those of pneumonia.
So quite useless in a thread about COVID?
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So quite useless in a thread about COVID?
can i talk about flu in the thread, master?
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Old 16.06.2021, 19:13
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So quite useless in a thread about COVID?
I don't think it's useless. Axa made a comparison with other "long" illnesses, using pneumonia as an example:

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...After all, covid19 is a risky illness that can kill you, so weeks and months for full recovery should not be a surprise. It's even normal for other risky respiratory conditions like pneumonia...
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Could be because some people compared it to a nasty cold and so people are expecting it to fix up like a nasty cold.
That too.
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Old 16.06.2021, 20:20
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I'm not entirely sure that's true - a range of ages support the plan. It baffles me why you persist with this notion of "fearmongering". Do you honestly think Covid has been nothing at all to worry about? You may be all right, Jack, but many others have not been. Long Covid is no joke either.
Just to come back to this point again after coming across a twitter thread, here's some headlines display visually the difference between the fearmongering media and the reality. This is what I mean by fearmongering!







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Old 16.06.2021, 20:52
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I don't think it's useless. Axa made a comparison with other "long" illnesses, using pneumonia as an example:

That too.
It is common knowledge that it can take a long time to recover from a serious illness.

The OP posted "not sure if long covid is just mismanaged expectations" and then posted about pneumonia which does not help to support their claim.

Now if the OP had posted some example of poor COVID advice about what to expect then that would have made sense.

In fact, the US CDC has good advice about post COVID conditions.

The Swiss BAG site also has similar information in English language.
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Old 16.06.2021, 21:00
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Just to come back to this point again after coming across a twitter thread, here's some headlines display visually the difference between the fearmongering media and the reality. This is what I mean by fearmongering!







You seem to have missed off the dates in your images which mostly show many months between them reflecting the updating of positions as more information becomes available.
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Old 16.06.2021, 21:21
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Indeed, data does not lie. But, not sure if long covid is just mismanaged expectations.

After all, covid19 is a risky illness that can kill you, so weeks and months for full recovery should not be a surprise. It's even normal for other risky respiratory conditions like pneumonia.
It makes little sense to focus on the overly long fingernails while the patient is in intensive care. Likewise, you need to have the most grave covid issues under control before it makes sense to shift focus to less pressing aspects. And of course we learn more with each day.

As such, where focus is directed is maybe not so much a question of mismanagement but of solidified knowledge and changing urgencies.
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You seem to have missed off the dates in your images which mostly show many months between them reflecting the updating of positions as more information becomes available.
Which are they?

Further, in the cases where your injection is well placed:
Shouldn't the lack of certainty be grounds to word the headlines a bit less loud in the first place?
It's not really news that pretty much every new-ish aspect of covid is a moving target, there's been plenty of time to take that to heart and tone it down a bit.
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Old 16.06.2021, 21:23
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The Swiss BAG site also has similar information in English language.
Indeed, nothing more to say about long covid. There's health insurance and invalidity insurance. End of story.
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Old 16.06.2021, 21:35
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I would find a silver lining in this if "Long Covid" being a recognized illness would lead to "chronic Lyme" also being recognized as real. There are countless other chronic conditions that are ignored that need to be acknowledged, funded and treated by healthcare providers.
Indeed, my husband had mononucleosis as a teen and battled severe chronic fatigue for years after. Chronic fatigue is a monstrously misunderstood illness and the sufferers of it are relieved that it is getting more attention now due to Covid. There is hope that the illness will be considered legitimate and more funding and research will be done.
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Old 16.06.2021, 21:45
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Indeed, my husband had mononucleosis as a teen and battled severe chronic fatigue for years after. Chronic fatigue is a monstrously misunderstood illness and the sufferers of it are relieved that it is getting more attention now due to Covid. There is hope that the illness will be considered legitimate and more funding and research will be done.
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Old 16.06.2021, 21:53
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As are most invisible illnesses. I completely didn't believe in depression until I had the pleasure of it. It used to baffle me that people took time off work because they were a bit miserable
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The OP posted "not sure if long covid is just mismanaged expectations" and then posted about pneumonia which does not help to support their claim.
For what it's worth, I've just heard from an acquaintance here that they've had Covid twice, once with pneumonia, and that was recently followed by a cancer diagnosis. talk about a triple whammy...
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Old 17.06.2021, 07:25
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For what it's worth, I've just heard from an acquaintance here that they've had Covid twice, once with pneumonia, and that was recently followed by a cancer diagnosis. talk about a triple whammy...

That is tough Life can be so unfair!
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Old 17.06.2021, 07:35
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Most of the time you heard ‚oh, it‘s only in your mind, if you wanted you can do anything‘

Been there, done that
A good doctor doesn't dismiss their patients like that but...it takes all sorts.

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So quite useless in a thread about COVID?
Oh, come on marton, I think it was a perfectly valid comparison..

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Old 17.06.2021, 08:58
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In this instance I hate to have been proved right but I called it a few weeks back when everyone was saying that the UK would be fully re-opened by the end of June.
It is a real shame given how well they have done with the vaccine programme but I think old Boris is being extra cautious now having completely ballsed up at the beginning of the pandemic.
It gets worse, Telegraph reporting that the decision to extend was based on out of date data

Covid modelling that pushed back June 21 was based on out-of-date data

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-out-of-date/
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Old 17.06.2021, 09:48
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It gets worse, Telegraph reporting that the decision to extend was based on out of date data

Covid modelling that pushed back June 21 was based on out-of-date data

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-out-of-date/
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https://www.20min.ch/story/so-gehts-...n-282112873402

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Virginie Masserey has announced that the authorities will assume vaccination protection for 12 months instead of the previous six months. The longer period is also taken into account in the Covid certificates.
so, certificate for both recovered and vaccinated would be valid for 12 months, they are yet to update bag website to reflect it
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