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Old 30.06.2021, 09:55
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Urs Max, I'm pro vax , I've been vaxxed with the whole lot . While I typed that comment there was a news channel in the background (mainstream media) and they were saying the same thing.
The only difference was, some words were said here and there, 20times one jumped into the other one's sentence and this information (some reasoning) did some 5% of the whole tv talk show . (this is why the viewer will process only the 90% of what's been said)

Those Dr - sci who were saying how the SAGE uk should be examined and they should immediately stop with the scaremongering since that's not medicine at all .. were facing other Dr- sci who think how yes , we should scare the population, make them anxious , offer little or no solutions ..

So you see, if people who are in this field , actively working and contributing can not agree (sometimes not at all) why would you expect us to agree here ? we can only benefit from recalling some information that we forgot .. Or , how we also forgot for certain lies and propaganda , there was no payback for any of the previous politicians, MP's , pharma industries (who lied and bribed) so , why would it be any different now and in the future .
This is not the conspiracy thread. Please stay on topic here and post this kind of stuff there.
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Old 30.06.2021, 10:06
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Interesting piece from NZZ here. I am posting the msn link as the original is behind a paywall.

Basically it is about the next phase of the vaccination campaign, which will be much tougher as interest in vaccinations is dwindling by the day with the remaining unvaccinated parts of the population having reservations of some sort. The "anti-vaxxers" are going into the counter offensive and hoping to capitalize on this latency with at least two noteworthy initiatives in the making.

To counter this Berset will be holding a discussion panel with two former beauty pageant laureates.

No, it's not April 1st.

https://www.msn.com/de-ch/nachrichte...BingNewsSearch
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Old 30.06.2021, 10:10
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Interesting piece from NZZ here. I am posting the msn link as the original is behind a paywall.

Basically it is about the next phase of the vaccination campaign, which will be much tougher as interest in vaccinations is dwindling by the day with the remaining unvaccinated parts of the population having reservations of some sort. The "anti-vaxxers" are going into the counter offensive and hoping to capitalize on this latency.

To counter this Berset will be holding a discussion panel with two former Muss Schweiz laureates who it appears are also high ranking virologists.

https://www.msn.com/de-ch/nachrichte...BingNewsSearch
The big mistake Switzerland has done with their vaccination strategy is not to give a clear benefit to those who take the vaccine.

Most people don't need the vaccine. Some don't want it.

Switzerland should have lifted ALL restrictions to vaccinated people from the moment vaccination was open for everybody - this would have been a big boost to people who don't see the immediate benefit, but if you say OK, once vaccinated - no mask, no quarantine, no more corona BS, now, that will certainly motivate people to get the jab and be done with it.

They did this in many states in the USA and it seems to be working just fine
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Old 30.06.2021, 10:14
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The big mistake Switzerland has done with their vaccination strategy is not to give a clear benefit to those who take the vaccine.
I live in Switzerland. I know the clear benefits - I can protect myself, and more importantly, those at greater risk, from getting COVID and when enough people have been vaccinated, restrictions can be lifted.

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Switzerland should have lifted ALL restrictions to vaccinated people from the moment vaccination was open for everybody - this would have been a big boost to people who don't see the immediate benefit, but if you say OK, once vaccinated - no mask, no quarantine, no more corona BS, now, that will certainly motivate people to get the jab and be done with it.
Who's going to Police this?
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Old 30.06.2021, 10:20
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The big mistake Switzerland has done with their vaccination strategy is not to give a clear benefit to those who take the vaccine.

Most people don't need the vaccine. Some don't want it.

Switzerland should have lifted ALL restrictions to vaccinated people from the moment vaccination was open for everybody - this would have been a big boost to people who don't see the immediate benefit, but if you say OK, once vaccinated - no mask, no quarantine, no more corona BS, now, that will certainly motivate people to get the jab and be done with it.

They did this in many states in the USA and it seems to be working just fine
Switzerland had it relatively easy. There weren't that many benefits of freedoms taken away in the first place.

I've spent time in both Spain and Hungary over the last months, before they started lifting restrictions that is, and every time coming back to Switzerland felt like going to a party.

But even so, the countries who were much tougher are also facing intense resistance from parts of the remaining unvaccinated population. Carrots and sticks don't work.
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I live in Switzerland. I know the clear benefits - I can protect myself, and more importantly, those at greater risk, from getting COVID and when enough people have been vaccinated, restrictions can be lifted.
Well this is new to me. We haven't stopped hearing about how a vaccinated person can still transmit the virus, so if a young guy that doesn't really need the vaccine but gets it anyway but another vulnerable person refuses it, he can still catch covid from the young guy, what's the benefit of the young guy getting the vaccine than?

Getting a vaccine is solely for your own protection. You are not protecting anybody else by getting it

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Why should it be policed? Vaccines are available for everybody now.
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Old 30.06.2021, 10:26
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Well this is new to me. We haven't stopped hearing about how a vaccinated person can still transmit the virus, so if a young guy that doesn't really need the vaccine but gets it anyway but another vulnerable person refuses it, he can still catch covid from the young guy, what's the benefit of the young guy getting the vaccine than?
1. You are much less likely to pass on the virus if you have been vaccinated. (read up about herd immunity to see why less people having the virus is better for everyone).

2. The vaccines are 95% effective against getting COVID - and thus you're freeing up hospital beds which can be used by those who do get ill from COVID, or indeed something else.

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Why should it be policed? Vaccines are available for everybody now.
Many people are refusing to have the vaccine.
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2. By getting vaccinated, you are 95% unlikely to get the disease - and thus you're freeing up hospital beds which can be used by those who do get ill from COVID, or indeed something else.
What does this mean?

95% unikely = 5% likely

That is more likely than your chances of catching it without the vaccine.
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Old 30.06.2021, 10:29
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Many people are refusing to have the vaccine.
That's why they can choose between getting exposed to the virus or getting the vaccine. We can not be hostages due to antivaxxers and we need to return to normal life, like yesterday. Whoever wants to take his change with covid instead of getting a jab, so be it.
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What does this mean?

95% unikely = 5% likely

That is more likely than your chances of catching it without the vaccine.
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Old 30.06.2021, 10:40
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That's why they can choose between getting exposed to the virus or getting the vaccine. We can not be hostages due to antivaxxers and we need to return to normal life, like yesterday. Whoever wants to take his change with covid instead of getting a jab, so be it.
A lot of experts are saying it's not over yet and we may have to live with restrictions for several more years. Being vaccinated won't be good enough either as there will be several further booster jabs not to mention new jabs against new variants.

So there may have to be further lockdowns and new restrictions which will affect the vaccinated the same as the unvaccinated, as we roll from one vaccination campaign into the next and all priviledges are reset between campaigns.

If that's the sort of proposition you are promising people, I can see why people say no, and that has nothing to do with being anti-vaxx. It has to do with telling the government "you need to try harder if you want to sell this to us".
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Old 30.06.2021, 11:10
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Switzerland should have lifted ALL restrictions to vaccinated people from the moment vaccination was open for everybody - this would have been a big boost to people who don't see the immediate benefit, but if you say OK, once vaccinated - no mask, no quarantine, no more corona BS, now, that will certainly motivate people to get the jab and be done with it.
I'm getting on a plane for vacation soon. No quarantine on return to CH because the vaccine. A friend was already on a plane to a sunny island last weekend.

I guess I don't care that much if I have to use a mask in Coop or while walking in a restaurant, as long as the vacation plan is alive.
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The big mistake Switzerland has done with their vaccination strategy is not to give a clear benefit to those who take the vaccine.
Hello V-- ,
Bad News: that would be some form of apartheid and it'll be going against the Nuremberg Kodex

Good News: Very soon it's coming, we'll have this apartheid and no more Kodex

marton, I am on the topic . The topic doesn't say Coronavirus (only scaremongering posts, fear spreading ones, psychosis) . But, I'm bit bored so I will not annoy you, it's your stage/performance here
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Todays published numbers 129 out of 17 k tests

6 hospitalisations
1 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last week wednesday 154 out of 18 k tests

16 hospitalisations
2 death
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Old 30.06.2021, 13:35
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Interesting elements to discuss but unfortunately no one is really keen on analysing stuff like this

proud of those Romanians , selling 1Mil of pfizer doses because half of the population doesnt want to vax and they say how they'll fight the virus naturally


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rk-2021-06-29/
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Old 30.06.2021, 13:39
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The big mistake Switzerland has done with their vaccination strategy is not to give a clear benefit to those who take the vaccine.
Some people think not dying or not being very ill is a clear benefit.
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Interesting elements to discuss but unfortunately no one is really keen on analysing stuff like this

proud of those Romanians , selling 1Mil of pfizer doses because half of the population doesnt want to vax and they say how they'll fight the virus naturally


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rk-2021-06-29/
For simple minds like me, it is at times a bit difficult to follow what you are trying to say. Maybe that is a contributing factor to why you feel no one wants to discuss.
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proud of those Romanians , selling 1Mil of pfizer doses because half of the population doesnt want to vax and they say how they'll fight the virus naturally


https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...rk-2021-06-29/
What's in there to analyze? I guess there's some national budget discipline in selling something to avoid waste, but what else? Locally there's also ~40% of adults who want no vaccine. Please start the analysis.
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Axa, what's there to analyse? really ? hmm

So if we take into consideration how this pandemic viral disease is so dangerous and deadly .. countries in a lockdown, extreme measures, urgent vaccinations..

But, for some strange reason, not only countries bordering with China , like Mongolia , Kazakstan etc . countries that are having daily air/train/car travel, transport of goods and so on with Wuhan .. never had some high death toll and their mortality rate isnt any higher than in the previous years.
Then, we have countries like Romania, who had to buy the vaccines (and the fridges) but even though it's such a deadly virus they aren't even going to continue with the vaccination. If it's such a deadly virus , hospitals saturated you really think how this would be possible ?

We all know how Sweden never went into a lockdown, masks and all that .. yet they had the borders open ,people travelling .. Some used to say "yeah but Sweden is a rich country they have a lot of hospital beds,equipment" and now it turns out how that theory is not plausible.

We're crying out loud here how there should be a segregation in CH, vaxxed privileged , non vaxxed (lockdown or something) helloo ? how come we're not applying the same logic including the one , of how a viral disease does not stop at the borders, how in some countries, like australia, they put down a whole state in a lockdown , not because hospitals are saturated or too many ill people at the emergency rooms , no, because, there was ONE case . A case, means someone tested positive.
And it was not someone ill, with 42C fever, coughing etc, no .. a completely healthy person, working out in a gym ..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...down/100254474

All of this is so delusional I have no words for it, . How ridiculous is the "logic".
At the same time I dont expects guys here thinking much about this..
I have this feeling how everyone feels like a 'researcher' , checking out daily websites that provide DATA and then they're like bidding and showing off , who saw what on which site (anyhow useless data) but nevermind ..
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Axa, what's there to analyse? really ? hmm

So if we take into consideration how this pandemic viral disease is so dangerous and deadly .. countries in a lockdown, extreme measures, urgent vaccinations..

But, for some strange reason, not only countries bordering with China , like Mongolia , Kazakstan etc . countries that are having daily air/train/car travel, transport of goods and so on with Wuhan .. never had some high death toll and their mortality rate isnt any higher than in the previous years.
Then, we have countries like Romania, who had to buy the vaccines (and the fridges) but even though it's such a deadly virus they aren't even going to continue with the vaccination. If it's such a deadly virus , hospitals saturated you really think how this would be possible ?

We all know how Sweden never went into a lockdown, masks and all that .. yet they had the borders open ,people travelling .. Some used to say "yeah but Sweden is a rich country they have a lot of hospital beds,equipment" and now it turns out how that theory is not plausible.

We're crying out loud here how there should be a segregation in CH, vaxxed privileged , non vaxxed (lockdown or something) helloo ? how come we're not applying the same logic including the one , of how a viral disease does not stop at the borders, how in some countries, like australia, they put down a whole state in a lockdown , not because hospitals are saturated or too many ill people at the emergency rooms , no, because, there was ONE case . A case, means someone tested positive.
And it was not someone ill, with 42C fever, coughing etc, no .. a completely healthy person, working out in a gym ..
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...down/100254474

All of this is so delusional I have no words for it, . How ridiculous is the "logic".
At the same time I dont expects guys here thinking much about this..
I have this feeling how everyone feels like a 'researcher' , checking out daily websites that provide DATA and then they're like bidding and showing off , who saw what on which site (anyhow useless data) but nevermind ..
Need some vacations? It's the summer, take them.
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