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Indeed. You have to have had Covid within the past six months for only one jab to be necessary I think.
I do find it odd they extended the validity of the double vaccinated from 6 months to 1 year recently, but left the validity of the Covid recovered still at 6 months. Another attempt to encourage vaccination perhaps. And my Dr says the Covid recovered have much higher antibody levels than the double vaccinated, so go figure.
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Old 30.06.2021, 19:48
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I do find it odd they extended the validity of the double vaccinated from 6 months to 1 year recently, but left the validity of the Covid recovered still at 6 months. Another attempt to encourage vaccination perhaps. And my Dr says the Covid recovered have much higher antibody levels than the double vaccinated, so go figure.
They haven't finished vaccinating the first round yet and it would have been embarrassing to have too many people with an expired vaccination walking around adding to the backlog. So the science had to bow to expediency, again.

I like to see the positive side: Berset has reduced the risk of infection of all people with an expired vaccination by 95% at the stroke of a pen.

He ought to patent that penstroke.
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In VD they specifically say antigen doesn't count, citing the need for equivalence with the EU regulation on certificates that excludes it. I would think it would have to be applied the same by all the cantons then.
There are two different cases. Antigen test is not accepted for Covid certificate for recovered (which is valid 11+180 days after positive PCR test and agreed with EU) but is accepted to skip the second vaccination. This was explained twice (!) during the last BAG press conference. The rules for vaccination are set by BAG and are not canton dependent as I understand.
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I had COVID too and they told me I can't have a jab until it is expired (minimum 6 months from date of recovery).

So it seems the rules are not being applied equally.
That's strange. I heard many times from BAG that you can be vaccinated earlier if you want. There is a minimum term after illness indeed but it is much shorter than 6 months (don't remember exactly). Maybe you should check in the different vaccination center?
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Old 30.06.2021, 21:41
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Re: Coronavirus

I apologize if this is a stupid question, but... I'll ask it anyways. My second dose of Moderna was three weeks ago today, which means that I should have antibodies now. Does anyone know if an antibody test would show how effective the vaccine has been for me, in terms of my antibodies count?
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I Does anyone know if an antibody test would show how effective the vaccine has been for me, in terms of my antibodies count?
According to the discussions I had with my Dr, yes. But every Dr is different and in my experience they don't want to do this routinely, only if there is a medical reason for needing it.
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There are two different cases. Antigen test is not accepted for Covid certificate for recovered (which is valid 11+180 days after positive PCR test and agreed with EU) but is accepted to skip the second vaccination. This was explained twice (!) during the last BAG press conference. The rules for vaccination are set by BAG and are not canton dependent as I understand.
Sorry but if I understand correctly, that's about as dumb as it gets. If you're only getting one dose because recovered, you would want and should get the certificate like everyone else as you are protected according to the scientists (obviously not by the politicians). And antigen test to skip second jab, just don't show up or call the help line to be more polite and cancel. Last I knew no one can force you to get the vaccine.
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Old 30.06.2021, 23:04
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I apologize if this is a stupid question, but... I'll ask it anyways. My second dose of Moderna was three weeks ago today, which means that I should have antibodies now. Does anyone know if an antibody test would show how effective the vaccine has been for me, in terms of my antibodies count?
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is reminding the public and health care providers that results from currently authorized SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate a personís level of immunity or protection from COVID-19 at any time, and especially after the person received a COVID-19 vaccination.
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Last I knew no one can force you to get the vaccine.
No one can even force you to make an appointment .

So it in doubt itís better to call your GP or another medical professional you trust and discuss the pros and cons .

Much better than making an appointment and then not turning up . You are potentially depriving somebody else of a jab who might need it .
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Old 30.06.2021, 23:08
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is reminding the public and health care providers that results from currently authorized SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate a personís level of immunity or protection from COVID-19 at any time, and especially after the person received a COVID-19 vaccination.
I wonder what the logic here is .

Surely the presence of antibodies is a sign of you having at least base level immunity .

If push comes to shove you can fake a vaccination certificate or find an unscrupulous doctor who will do it for you . But an antibody test doesnít lie . So which one is more trustworthy ?
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Old 30.06.2021, 23:11
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According to the discussions I had with my Dr, yes. But every Dr is different and in my experience they don't want to do this routinely, only if there is a medical reason for needing it.
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is reminding the public and health care providers that results from currently authorized SARS-CoV-2 antibody tests should not be used to evaluate a personís level of immunity or protection from COVID-19 at any time, and especially after the person received a COVID-19 vaccination.
Thanks. I had read conflicting answers about it online. I wonder why that would be -- why an antibodies test would not or could not give some indication of how protected someone is from their vaccine or how many antibodies they have developed from the vaccine.

I think I might call my dr. about it to see what she says. The antibody test I had before only cost me 50 CHF (was not covered by insurance). I guess part of me is worried because of that awful RS virus that I caught from my son just a few days after I received my second dose. I have no idea if that could have potentially somehow interfered with the effects of the vaccine, since my body was very clearly fighting a completely different virus at the time my second dose was supposed to be doing its job. (I'm a worrier... I know ).
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Sorry but if I understand correctly, that's about as dumb as it gets. If you're only getting one dose because recovered, you would want and should get the certificate like everyone else as you are protected according to the scientists (obviously not by the politicians). And antigen test to skip second jab, just don't show up or call the help line to be more polite and cancel. Last I knew no one can force you to get the vaccine.
If you don't show up you won't have a certificate. If you receive just one vaccine legally you will get a certificate as fully vaccinated person. That's the difference.
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Please note that different vaccines contain different parts of the virus. If your vaccine has only S protein and you make a test to the N protein it won't show any antibodies. If you had an illness you can do any test, but if you had a vaccine you should make sure that your test ist compatible with your vaccine.
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Old 01.07.2021, 01:23
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Thanks. I had read conflicting answers about it online. I wonder why that would be -- why an antibodies test would not or could not give some indication of how protected someone is from their vaccine or how many antibodies they have developed from the vaccine.
I think it's because if you read some of the scientific medical publications on this, the results of some studies is inconclusive or contradictory on this antibody levels and immunity . Plus they are still examining which tests and which measurements are the most accurate.

For example, some very mild covid cases do not develop strong antibodies and they seem to disappear more rapidly. So they can't say if you are protected and for how long, and further can you carry or transmit. A general statement, like on my lab results say, you have been in contact with the virus, but this does not necessarily mean you are immune or protected. There are not enough conclusive studies on this yet, so the err is on caution.
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But it's not the government that is making people ill or killing them.

The question was, what is the government doing to make it attractive?
Why would that be the government's job? Grownups decide for themselves.

For those who don't value their health enough there's always Darwin. One way or another most everybody will get immunised.

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They over-ordered and sell the surplus before expiring. Lesson learned, since they over-ordered AZ too and had to destroy 30k expired doses after fear mongering campaigns. mRNA vaccines are still in the highest demand, followed by Johnson&Johnson. Don't forget people have options. Can choose.

The vaccination will continue, thought less and less people want to be vaccinated.
0 new cases in the last 24 hours so people think all is gone...
Half-baked articles via reuters.
Number of jabs administered per 1k of the population, according to Tagesanzeiger.

Given the outlook for Switzerland, which is that we'll barely manage to get 80% or so vaccinated by
September, and possibly quite a bit less, the outlook for Romania is rather bleak.

Choice may be a good thing from an egocentric POV, for the relatively few winners of the lottery.
But for the entire population the consequence is likely to be massively detrimental.


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Old 01.07.2021, 08:02
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Why would that be the government's job? Grownups decide for themselves.

For those who don't value their health enough there's always Darwin. One way or another most everybody will get immunised.


Number of jabs administered per 1k of the population, according to Tagesanzeiger.

Given the outlook for Switzerland, which is that we'll barely manage to get 80% or so vaccinated by
September, and possibly quite a bit less, the outlook for Romania is rather bleak.

Choice may be a good thing from an egocentric POV, for the relatively few winners of the lottery.
But for the entire population the consequence is likely to be massively detrimental.
Bleak in what sense? I judge that by the number of news cases, hospitalisations and ICU cases. It's very stable right now.
If there will be a new (mini-)wave people will want again to be vaccinated.
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Old 01.07.2021, 08:26
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I did something that I have never done before in public. A guy sat next to me on the bus without a mask. It was one of those seats where you are really close!
I looked at him with a WTF look, and he ignored me.

I had eaten corn on the cob and kidney beans, the pressure was building up. So I let one rip. He pulled his mask up just before he fainted
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Absolutely. But to basically have Schadenfreude because someone gets sick and dies? Ok I guess some people feel that way but I don't.

If you believe stats posted a few pages back, the Delta variant has killed people in the UK who were fully vaxxed as well as those who weren't.
Especially considering that the Delta variant has killed more people who are double vaxxed in the UK than those who are unvaccinated!

(See page 14 in the report below)

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Especially considering that the Delta variant has killed more people who are double vaxxed in the UK than those who are unvaccinated!
If 100% of people are vaxxed, Coronavirus will be killing only vaxxed people. But it doesn't mean that the vaccination doesn't work.
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If 100% of people are vaxxed, Coronavirus will be killing only vaxxed people. But it doesn't mean that the vaccination doesn't work.
100% of the people will never be vaccinated. I know somebody with Parkinsons whoís doctor has told him not to get it. His anti-vaxer wife refuses, not even for him.
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