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Re: Coronavirus

What is weird about vaccination and getting both jabs way before travelling to UK (and probably other places too), is that if someone in the plane tested positive there you're quarantined for 2 weeks regardless.

It looks like getting vaxxed doesn't count. So why this hysteria with vaccination certificates etc?

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Sport is healthy, they said.
Maybe think again, the spike-up is attributed to the gatherings in the football stadiums due to the Euro 2020. Hence the uneven distribution between the sexes.

(Beeb article)

Playing sport is healthy. Watching other people play sport is not.
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Old 02.07.2021, 08:00
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Hey, what covid madness? Family and friends died during the peak of the 2nd wave: last December and January. Deaths approach to zero at least since 2 months ago.

These days what we're missing is only clubs, concerts and big events. Restaurants and terraces opened long ago, sport centers too. Masks are going away in a few weeks. Well, some people is suffering because they're being dragged back to the office, but that was the normal before. CH opened the borders to new immigrants, couples are no longer separated by borders....so, what's up?
And that's the thing, other countries had idiotic unnecessary tough measures and now the population is reluctant to follow any recommendations.
I always said CH chose the best way there was for dealing with this pandemic.
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Old 02.07.2021, 08:09
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Pancakes, I was going to type , how I'm not here to suck up to someone, a community, social ladder or the knows convergent evolution, divergent evolution, parallel evolution, and coevolution ...

Let's say , how my comments were more like a 'shot in the dark' ... I'm profoundly surprised how the what's supposed to be the 'most intelligent' ones , here... are lacking so much of that critical approach to what's been fed to us .

Still, I'm sure most of the members here, did go through Huxley, Orwell, Sartre, Ursulla Le guen etc.. and know about human nature so much .. How come, they all like sheep , bent-over some ridiculous statements.. "we care for you, so put a horrible plastic on your mouth and wear it all day long even at home..because we care for your life and we instruct you to refrain from fresh air in order to save your life. Yeah right. So yes I did ask myslef about that cognitive dissonance ...

We are obstructing our own basic instinct , need like breathing including children, in order to save humanity? We let walmarts, migros,coops, open including Mcdonalds and their friends while we shut down small businesses, tiny shops, restaurants, ... gyms .. but yeah you can stay all day in line at migros ? still, no illnesses or death rates amongst those cashiers and ppl who work there, hospitals around the world, doing tic toc vids , singing jerusalema including the suisse police ... I dont know, but I'm sick of of this hyprocrisy and people being so easy to manipulate throught the (argumentum ab auctoritate), appeal to authority . Because, once you look into the "authority" who's there? really the ones who wish you the best? &

I might be wrong of course, this is why I'm seeking some good arguments to bring me to reason
I don't think it's a matter of "appeal to authority" as much as it is a matter of basic common sense. You cannot close grocery stores for obvious reasons. And despite the fact that some people such as yourself do not like masks, that doesn't negate their efficacy. There is a reason why doctors wear masks during surgery, etc. It's because they help stop the spread of virus particles.

So someone like yourself can try to label it as "appeal to authority" as much as you want, but for some of us, we do trust science more than we trust some random person who thinks they know more than scientists do and yet when they become sick, then they trust science.
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Old 02.07.2021, 09:01
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On 18 March 2021, German regional leaders including State Premiers and the mayor of Berlin called for the swift approval of the Russian vaccine that is under review by the European Medicines Agency to counteract the acute shortages of effective vaccines in Europe.
German medical experts have recommended its approval also, and consider the Sputnik Vaccine "clever" and "highly safe".

Slovakia and Hungary have at least emergency approval for Sputnik V.
situation in russia proves exactly the opposite
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Old 02.07.2021, 09:35
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Re: Coronavirus

Only 10% of Russians are fully vaccinated, so it doesn't matter much if their vaccines work or not for the current situation in the country.

The quoted phrase dated March 2021, when Europe had shortage of vaccines and Russia was actively vaccinating and selling their vaccines around the world. Now the situation is completely opposite: in Europe 50% of people are vaccinated at least once, 30% twice and there are plenty of mRNA vaccines so that the poor countries like Romania are selling them already. And Russia tries to speed up vaccination in the country with different methods, some regions are currently experiencing the shortage of vaccines, especially Sputnik. There is no need in Sputnik in Europe anymore, as countries are slowly getting rid of Astra Zeneca which is based on similar technology.
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Old 02.07.2021, 09:50
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Clubs are open.

My parents are still not allowed to visit us.
So clubs are open? I haven't noticed, I'm showing my age hahaha the point was life is almost back to the past normal.

Vaccinated tourists can enter the Schengen area, right? Or am I missing something?
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Old 02.07.2021, 09:59
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So clubs are open? I haven't noticed, I'm showing my age hahaha the point was life is almost back to the past normal.

Vaccinated tourists can enter the Schengen area, right? Or am I missing something?
AFAIK yes. Possibly restrictions still apply to certain countries with high incidence rates but otherwise tourism is open .
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Old 02.07.2021, 10:05
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So clubs are open? I haven't noticed, I'm showing my age hahaha the point was life is almost back to the past normal.

Vaccinated tourists can enter the Schengen area, right? Or am I missing something?
Clubs are open for the doubly vaccinated. According to various news reports hundreds of people turned up in ZH on the first night (last Saturday I think) most having not understood the double vaccine requirement. It seemed that people had travelled in from Europe and the TV interviewed a little group who proudly announced they had cone in from the UK. A Bouncer overheard and reported them to the police, who "arrested" them ... presumably they should have been quarantining.
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Old 02.07.2021, 10:11
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AFAIK yes. Possibly restrictions still apply to certain countries with high incidence rates but otherwise tourism is open .

Even from UK and places with a concerning variant you're now fine if double vaxed. I travelled back using my UK NHS app certificate last weekend.
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Old 02.07.2021, 10:18
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I don't think it's a matter of "appeal to authority" as much as it is a matter of basic common sense. You cannot close grocery stores for obvious reasons. And despite the fact that some people such as yourself do not like masks, that doesn't negate their efficacy. There is a reason why doctors wear masks during surgery, etc. It's because they help stop the spread of virus particles.
Standard masks (cloth and surgical) don't work, as this preprint study shows. Masks mandates have been the biggest waste of time of this entire pandemic.

Covid: Masks upgrade cuts infection risk, research finds

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636360
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Old 02.07.2021, 10:24
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Clubs are open for the doubly vaccinated.
I think they're also open to those with a recent PCR test, as long as it shows up on the Swiss Covid Cert app. Not 100% though.

EDIT: Vaccinated, recovered and tested:
https://www.bag.admin.ch/bag/en/home...ml#-1022651402
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Old 02.07.2021, 10:25
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Standard masks (cloth and surgical) don't work, as this preprint study shows. Masks mandates have been the biggest waste of time of this entire pandemic.

Covid: Masks upgrade cuts infection risk, research finds

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57636360

That's to protect healthcare staff from getting infected where N95 masks do help. Not to stop you spreading to others which cloth/surgical definitely do help with and have been proved by multiple studies vs no mask.

I cant believe 12 months later you're still spouting the same old stuff.
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Clubs are open for the doubly vaccinated.
No, they are open for vaccinated, tested or recovered. The government had to develop a complicated system to make sure that noone is discriminated. All these categories get similar QR codes to make sure that noone knows your vaccination status. Some of the clubs even invited medics and offers testing in place for those who did not get covid certificate beforehand (there was a shortage of free testing appointments for the weekend since the opening of clubs was announced).
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So clubs are open? I haven't noticed, I'm showing my age hahaha the point was life is almost back to the past normal.

Vaccinated tourists can enter the Schengen area, right? Or am I missing something?
Yes, but different countries accept vaccines from different lists. Switzerland accepts the whole WHO list with Chinese, Indian vaccines etc.
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I think they're also open to those with a recent PCR test, as long as it shows up on the Swiss Covid Cert app. Not 100% though.
Not only PCR, you can have a free antigen test on Friday afternoon, get QR code in 15 min and party in the clubs for the next 48 hours.
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Old 02.07.2021, 10:47
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I don't think it's a matter of "appeal to authority" as much as it is a matter of basic common sense. You cannot close grocery stores for obvious reasons. And despite the fact that some people such as yourself do not like masks, that doesn't negate their efficacy. There is a reason why doctors wear masks during surgery, etc. It's because they help stop the spread of virus particles.

So someone like yourself can try to label it as "appeal to authority" as much as you want, but for some of us, we do trust science more than we trust some random person who thinks they know more than scientists do and yet when they become sick, then they trust science.
Pancakes, this is where we have to discuss, what's common sense? If you care about the meaning of the words you could've read how I evoked the nonsense of those who rule us, to have ALL big corp. businesses open, all supermarket chains, Mcdonaldsburgerkings open ...But, in order to save us so we dont die ,we had small shops shut down, pubs restaurants,GYM.. closed but you can stay in line at the walmart,migros,etc. such an insult to our intelligence.

I do not like masks ? "there is a reason dr wears a mask during surgery" ?

If you respect and believe science then you should learn more about this and apply the common sense .

Surgeons wear for other reasons than "spreading viruses" . I'll explain.
When surgeons and med.staff enter the operating room, they're entering totally sterile area , ventilated , with a minimum of 20 total air exchanges per hour and a minimum of 4 exchanges of outdoor air per hour in operating rooms. With a constant temperature of 20-23C in case it's an open heart surgery it might go down to 17C.

Just before the surgeon enters, his head is covered and isnt touching the masks usually someone sticks it to him/her. (even with gloves he's not touching it)

Once in the operating theatre the surgeon is not having any physical activity , is not even talking and the reason for wearing the surgical mask and medical spectacles is because is because they're making a laceration and an open wound. If saliva, fluids enter the wound this is dangerous and is to be avoided, as well as the doctor receiving tiny projections in his face/eyes while operating .

Once the surgery is over, until mid 2020 , that same surgeon and nurses will enter the patient's room without a mask and the patient without mask and they would talk and communicate as normal human beings that breathe in - fresh air.

Can you see the science behind the surgical mask ? It is used only in those specific conditions and once out of the operating room , it's totally useless and even dangerous .

It's up to you to explain, that fast food science how I'm wearing a surgical mask and I have the respiratory virus, I'm coughing and yayyy virus gets trapped in the cloth but - stays on my lips and I continue having it I guess it goes back where it came from ??


I swear this mask fetish would've never worked if there were no shows like Grays anatomy, ER ,dr House, .. where they of course wear masks during the operation

So people here after shopping at Aldi, hopping on a bus , going home taking the mask off did feel I am certain, how they had all day "operations" , feeling like Clooney and such. saving lives of course , thinking "oh I'm like a surgeon , uhhh it's hard but if the surgeon can do it , I CAN DO it too"
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We are not anti-mask . You guys are are anti face . We were here first , don't forget
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Can you see the science behind the surgical mask ? It is used only in those specific conditions and once out of the operating room , it's totally useless and even dangerous .

Dangerous how?
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That's to protect healthcare staff from getting infected where N95 masks do help. Not to stop you spreading to others which cloth/surgical definitely do help with and have been proved by multiple studies vs no mask.

I cant believe 12 months later you're still spouting the same old stuff.
"Definitely do help"

Scotland, 80%+ single jabbed, 60%+ double jabbed, mask mandates in all indoor public spaces, just posted a new record of Covid cases yesterday.

But they definitely do help
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