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And how, may I politely ask, would you know that? I.e., with what technical qualifications or personal experience? Just a hunch?
Well I don't pretend to be an expert, but I did work in drug development for 20-odd years, albeit one step removed from the actual medical people. But I do know some stuff (and the missus is a pharmacologist), and most of your claims are frankly absurd, so much so that it's not even worth refuting them individually.
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Old 12.03.2020, 20:06
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true but less testing makes the death rate appear higher.
How does that work? The death rate is a function of those who test positive and died. So the number of tests is not a factor, beyond increasing the statistical certainty of the result (1/ 10 dead versus 9/ 100).

Unless someone is not tested, dies of COVID-19 and they determine that as cause of death at the autopsy. IS that what you meant?

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Crap .. I set an alert for another few cents drop ..
We use this approach when buying foreign currency: Set an alarm for the target rate. Set an alarm for the target rate plus a bit, and one for minus a bit. When reached, spend half the allocation. Then spend the other half when the next target is reached, either above, below or the same.

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I do wish they would close the schools here. Most kids here could probably receive their lessons online. I just think some drastic measures need to be taken before this thing becomes much, much worse. I also think that anyone who can work from home should be told to work from home by their employers. I read that Italy has been criticized for not handling its situation better. I would hope that CH would learn from that. And now we can't really even rely on the published numbers since CH is no longer offering testing for many people.
I don't understand the game the Swiss authorities are playing at all. I also wonder why worldometer reports 6 deaths but no critical patients. At all. Ever.

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Well you won't be getting on the front of the bus, and there are no more ticket collectors/checking.
At least you can travel for free.
I cottoned on to that too. Just in case, wear a mask and start to cough if an inspector gets on.

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Shit!! He cant even look you in the eyes. And no its not true that you can get the virus just from eye contact!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...onavirus-video
Does rubbing eyes against someone else's count as eye contact? Is that infectious?

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Do you really think that information that 10 people are infected in a specific town of population 10'000 is going to make a difference? There's currently 644 confirmed infected people in the whole of Switzerland.

There's a cantonal list here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_c...in_Switzerland

If a town has 10% of people infected - then the information might be relevant.
Doubling rate in CH is just less than 4 days. So that 10 in 1000 is 20 in 4 days, 40 in 8 days. Of course it's significant. I don't think you understand the concepts of R0, asymptomatic infectiousness, nor the exponential function. Here, lack of testing can cloud the picture somewhat.

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As expected, they won't close the schools/kindergartens...at least not in canton Zurich. They (Gesundheitsdirektion) fear the kids might go to grandparents during this period and infect the grandparents. (I am not kidding)
Interesting experiments here.
I agree with the "don't visit elderly people" idea. But I don't see how it slows the spread of the virus, and so how does it prevent the Health Care system from being overloaded?
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How does that work? The death rate is a function of those who test positive and died. So the number of tests is not a factor, beyond increasing the statistical certainty of the result (1/ 10 dead versus 9/ 100).

Unless someone is not tested, dies of COVID-19 and they determine that as cause of death at the autopsy. IS that what you meant?
Death Rate is the ratio of dead per infected person. This number gives some idea of the severity once infected. Now if mild cases are not even counted in the denominator, ratio is going to be higher (by definition).

Another way to say is, lets go to the absurd scenario that only critical ICU patients are tested, in this case the death rate is going to be very very high.

Thats what I think Swissotter meant.
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How does that work? The death rate is a function of those who test positive and died. So the number of tests is not a factor, beyond increasing the statistical certainty of the result (1/ 10 dead versus 9/ 100).

Unless someone is not tested, dies of COVID-19 and they determine that as cause of death at the autopsy. IS that what you meant?



We use this approach when buying foreign currency: Set an alarm for the target rate. Set an alarm for the target rate plus a bit, and one for minus a bit. When reached, spend half the allocation. Then spend the other half when the next target is reached, either above, below or the same.


I don't understand the game the Swiss authorities are playing at all. I also wonder why worldometer reports 6 deaths but no critical patients. At all. Ever.


I cottoned on to that too. Just in case, wear a mask and start to cough if an inspector gets on.


Does rubbing eyes against someone else's count as eye contact? Is that infectious?



Doubling rate in CH is just less than 4 days. So that 10 in 1000 is 20 in 4 days, 40 in 8 days. Of course it's significant. I don't think you understand the concepts of R0, asymptomatic infectiousness, nor the exponential function. Here, lack of testing can cloud the picture somewhat.


I agree with the "don't visit elderly people" idea. But I don't see how it slows the spread of the virus, and so how does it prevent the Health Care system from being overloaded?
My goodness, I hope people didn’t read all of that.
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Well I don't pretend to be an expert, but I did work in drug development for 20-odd years, albeit one step removed from the actual medical people. But I do know some stuff (and the missus is a pharmacologist), and most of your claims are frankly absurd, so much so that it's not even worth refuting them individually.
He'll be peddling Forsythia shortly.

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Is the number of daily posts on this thread growing exponentially?
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Well I don't pretend to be an expert, but I did work in drug development for 20-odd years, albeit one step removed from the actual medical people. But I do know some stuff (and the missus is a pharmacologist), and most of your claims are frankly absurd, so much so that it's not even worth refuting them individually.
Fair enough. And she ought to know about the caffeine in cold meds, and that (healthy, not dangerous) levels of fever is involved in fighting viral and other infections, which, as I just realized the ither day, involves increased blood flow which in a healthy immune system would be bringing more antibodies to the fevered region.


But hopefully there is some logic to the supposition as to why this "nose-holding/clamping" research published decades ago in those two renowned medical journals (see that post) has not strongly emerged in public or medical practice. Seems very logical: not only can't make money by selling a piece of paper in a pharmacy telling folks to hold their nose and not buy ALL the myriad over-the-counter standard cold/flu meds. Well, logical to me, anyway (I also have an MBA and have consulted for major companies in the past, specifically incl. marketing).

You are entitled to your own opinion, but still it would be even fairer for you to write that current medical and pharma practice does not include this (except the caffeine, etc.).

However, right after the published research I referenced, I read about (and heard from several in the medical field who knew of it) a Swiss product called the "Virolizer" which blew hot air up one's nose. Now, as of a few days ago, I can finally see after all these years why the hot air alone, without the increased local blood flow (likely from the pinching pressure or whatever) would not be so effective.

Further, to my (often) extremely logical mind, the body uses fever and stuffed noses to deal with colds and similar infections. From my own experience, these infections, like the most nasty kinds of flu, do not result in a stuffed nose with thick, congealed mucous, but instead the resultant reaction to those nasty long-lasting flu viruses is very thin low viscosity fluid which does NOT stuff and seal the nose (and sinus cavity).

Different strokes, more than one candy bar, etc.

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(I also have an MBA and have consulted for major companies in the past, specifically incl. marketing).


From my own experience, these infections, like the most nasty kinds of flu, do not result in a stuffed nose with thick, congealed mucous, but instead the resultant reaction to those nasty long-lasting flu viruses is very thin low viscosity fluid which does NOT stuff and seal the nose (and sinus cavity).




Wrong.

And a MBA does not make you a HNT expert. Please do stop spreading incorrect data?
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Re: Coronavirus

Does anyone know what a non-composulary school is ? (I.e what Ticino has closed?)

I am a little confused what they mean ?

Note from ISZL seems to infer (take all your shit home) the canton will close schools tomorrow arvo.
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Viral infections cannot be treated. The symptoms can.
Not sure why you say that. A promising treatment using hydroxychloroquine is likely going to be trialled soon:

https://academic.oup.com/cid/advance...iaa237/5801998
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Does anyone know what a non-composulary school is ? (I.e what Ticino has closed?)
I think it means, for example, a voluntary education programme, such as a language school, dance school, night-school for adults learning programming, etc., and for children extra-curricular activities such as classes in singing, dancing or sports, or perhaps extra lessons for academic support, or homework groups.
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Wrong.

And a MBA does not make you a HNT expert. Please do stop spreading incorrect data?
Education as a physicist, engineer, and involvement in many successful mass-mkt inventions I have created and developed requires logic and the proper interpretation of data. Got it? Data gathering plus logical interpretation to produce useful, working and reproducible results has been a cornerstone of my life's work (making tons of money for others, a bit for me in the process).

But I definitely accept your point about MBA's (though mine is in Production Management).

What I find amusing is the seeming lack of the use and application of the Scientific Method by far too many folks in their own lives. The motto of my undergrad uni was "Use What Works" (based on the early 20th century Vienna School of Logic).

But I digress


P.S. Except for the New England Journal of Medicine and British Lancet references (which are pre-Internet and would need to be found in a large medical library I suppose), I have posted nothing which is other than "anecdotal" and have made no claims otherwise. Right?
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Can someone translate what Macron is saying? Anything important? He looks serious but I dont understand a word in French
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Hey, no slur intended. I had been telling my< friends about this and only made the first (now moved) thread to pass on what has been working for me (my background is experimental physics and I live from various successful mass-mkt inventions, having earlier worked as an in-house consultant at a huge USA defense contractor at new or unusual problems which others could not solve ... so while taking my assessments as provisional -- I trust nothing, incl. myself -- my "track record" gives some weight to what might seem silly ideas).


Anyway, health issues are one's own responsibility, so with so-called "Enlightened Self-Interest" what I posted about some little-known research and my own decades-long experience using it (and other things, also proven, like putting caffein in cold meds, for ex.) might help any interested in trying some harmless things for their colds (not COVID-19, why I started a separate thread) ... the fewer sick out there and the more healthcare resources thus available, the lower my chances of having a terrible halth problem.


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Is it true that in Italy all shops are being closed and people are not allowed out of their house except to get food from designated shops?
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Is it true that in Italy all shops are being closed and people are not allowed out of their house except to get food from designated shops?
Yes. As a matter of fact, they're forced to jog to the designated store.
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Can someone translate what Macron is saying? Anything important? He looks serious but I dont understand a word in French
He said that schools and universities in France will close from next Monday, but that public transport will remain operating and the country's local elections will go ahead. He recommends that people work from home where possible, and that people over 70 and with health issues should stay at home.
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