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Todays published numbers 158 out of 30 k tests

7 hospitalisations
2 dearh

https://www.20min.ch/story/das-ist-d...z-136662375229

Compared to last week friday 109 out of 24 k tests

5 hospitalisations
2 death
And we are about 1 month from finishing vaccination...

Looks like delta will win.
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Old 02.07.2021, 14:43
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Re: Coronavirus

It looks as though we are destined to rehash the masks are good/bad argument every few months.

I'm sick of it.
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Old 02.07.2021, 14:50
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It looks as though we are destined to rehash the masks are good/bad argument every few months.

I'm sick of it.
Aren’t we all?
It’s the same old posters making the same old arguments either for or against over and over again. It really has become tiresome now.
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Old 02.07.2021, 15:02
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And we are about 1 month from finishing vaccination...

Looks like delta will win.
What makes you say that?

We don't know if the increase was attributable to delta?
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It could be even worse. A friend of mine made her own face mask out of neoprene. She did it because she wanted to be 100% sure that she wouldn't breath in any dangerous particles. When she wore it for only 10 minutes, she nearly died because couldn't breathe at all. Can you believe that? And still people say masks are safe.

Hahaha this is literally utter rubbish my 60 year-old male colleague from work wears a neoprene covid mask whenever he wears a mask and he's still alive. Theyre not airtight (unless she made a full gimp style outfit who knows?).

His mask even has an England flag on to let everyone know he's a Brit

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Old 02.07.2021, 15:34
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In other news, seatbelts are shown to be uncomfortable and only required in a tiny minority of cases.
They are uncomfortable, nevertheless I once caught myself trying to put it on when on a bike.
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We don't know if the increase was attributable to delta?
Indeed. Our football fans are not even back from Russia yet. The big delta-spreading day is planned for tomorrow.
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Old 02.07.2021, 18:18
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Re: Coronavirus

I just came across this article in The Local (not the best news source, I know, but...) I thought I'd share it by pasting it here in case anyone doesn't have a subscription and it interests anyone:


How Switzerland plans to contain the Delta variant
https://www.thelocal.ch/20210628/how...delta-variant/

Swiss health experts predict that the highly contagious Delta virus will spread through the country in the coming months. Can its effect be lessened and if so, how?

The Delta variant of Covid-19, which was originally detected in India, has caused concern across the globe due to its potency and its apparent resistance to some vaccines.

The concern is so great that some countries, including Switzerland, have put tougher travel restrictions on countries where the variant is prevalent, including the United Kingdom and India.

Official statistics show that so about 10 percent of Switzerland’s population is affected by Delta.

As Nicola Low, professor of Epidemiology and Public Health at University of Bern told The Local on Friday, “data about the proportion of cases caused by Delta are about two weeks behind, so the proportion now is actually higher than it appears.”

Other health experts also say the number of infections caused by this variant, believed to be 50 percent more contagious than previous mutations, will grow in Switzerland between the end of summer and beginning of fall.

“The Delta will become dominant in our country within four to six weeks,” Urs Karrer, vice-chairman of the Covid-19 Task Force, told “NZZ am Sonntag”.

In the past the Task Force had predicted catastrophic scenarios for the Covid pandemic in Switzerland, which fortunately did not come to pass.

For instance, in April the experts said Switzerland’s contaminations will peak at 10,000 cases a day in June. This has not happened and, in fact, the number of infections has been dropping sharply the entire month.

However, forecasts relating to Delta are based on how quickly the variant has already spread through parts of Europe — including the UK — and the world.

Switzerland may fall victim to the variant because the government has just lifted many of the coronavirus restrictions.

“Right now, in my opinion, we should be more cautious because there are so many uncertainties about the situation”, Low said.

Andreas Cerny, epidemiologist at the University of Bern, also expects a fourth wave fuelled by the Delta variant.

The lifting of measures combined with holiday travel to and from Switzerland, constitute an “explosive mixture in the diffusion of the Delta variant”, he said.

How is Switzerland planning to prevent this variant from spreading?

The hopes are pinned on the vaccination campaign.

It is expected that the virus will spread mostly to those who are not vaccinated and, to a lesser degree, to people who have only had one shot of the vaccine.

“With a single dose, the vaccine protection against Delta is about 30 percent, which is lower than for previous variants ” according to epidemiologist Volker Thiel.

And Karrer estimated that “probably more than 60 percent of people who have not been vaccinated could become infected”.

To avoid this worst-case scenario, he said 2 million more people in Switzerland should be vaccinated as soon as possible, in addition to nearly 2.8 million who are already fully vaccinated.

Additionally, Low noted that as so many restrictions have been relaxed, Switzerland should adopt more preventive measures, such as more testing, and more rigorous contact tracing.

“The more measures, the better the control”, she said.
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Old 02.07.2021, 18:38
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Re: Coronavirus

The title is misleading as it doesn't say anything about how Switzerland plans to deal with delta.

It just states the opinion of one guy who admits he was wrong last time round.
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Old 02.07.2021, 18:41
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They can plan to contain whatever they want. It is only a matter of a few weeks and there will only be Delta. Still in low absolute numbers, but with vaccination flattening out, this will change.
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Old 02.07.2021, 18:52
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They can plan to contain whatever they want. It is only a matter of a few weeks and there will only be Delta. Still in low absolute numbers, but with vaccination flattening out, this will change.
Yeah, it will be interesting to see where we're at a month or two from now. I find it difficult to be optimistic. Maybe this is just the "calm before the storm" right now. (I can only hope that I'm wrong).
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Old 02.07.2021, 18:56
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yeah sure , delta )

Vaccinate ,vaccinate so it'll all be good..but, if you follow media in general , they all PREDICT huge wave of covid for Sept. and many have said how again lockdowns are to be reinforced again.(I know Pancake is only focusing on the CH border but.. why not look across the line to see what's happening )

And to really go step further, scientists are warning how in future lockdowns are to be accepted in order to save the planet , climate wave on the way
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Old 02.07.2021, 19:18
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yeah sure , delta )

Vaccinate ,vaccinate so it'll all be good..but, if you follow media in general , they all PREDICT huge wave of covid for Sept. and many have said how again lockdowns are to be reinforced again.(I know Pancake is only focusing on the CH border but.. why not look across the line to see what's happening )

And to really go step further, scientists are warning how in future lockdowns are to be accepted in order to save the planet , climate wave on the way
You start getting on my nerves.

@pancakes, I am optimistic. Wife and I, parents and most friends vaccinated (with the odd "wait and see" person around). So I think at least we are home free and I hope the government will stick to their guns and make non-vaccination a problem of the non-vaccinated. As long as most of the elderly are vaccinated (they are), the 4th wave might be a "lab wave" as Drosten recently called it.

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Old 02.07.2021, 21:20
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You start getting on my nerves.

@pancakes, I am optimistic. Wife and I, parents and most friends vaccinated (with the odd "wait and see" person around). So I think at least we are home free and I hope the government will stick to their guns and make non-vaccination a problem of the non-vaccinated. As long as most of the elderly are vaccinated (they are), the 4th wave might be a "lab wave" as Drosten recently called it.
I think I'll be blocking him soon. Otherwise it's like a mosquito that just refuses to stop being annoying... especially because they enjoy being annoying.

I feel like I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic. "Only time will tell," I guess. But what I find really disheartening (or maybe frustrating is the better word) is that it's being shown in the UK that people can still die or become very ill from Covid despite having been fully vaccinated. I am high risk and am still getting over a nasty RS virus that I caught from my son 3 weeks ago. So despite being fully vaxxed, I'm still quite worried about catching the virus. We may end up canceling our camping trip Aug 9 - 16, depending on what the #'s are doing at the time.

I'm curious what a "lab wave" is, so I'll try to look it up. I guess I had never heard that term before until now. Maybe it's when a lot of people begin to test positive for the virus but there aren't many hospitalizations or deaths as a result (?).
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Old 02.07.2021, 21:27
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Lab wave = lots of cases, but mostly among the young and with little impact on hospitals and deaths.
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Old 02.07.2021, 22:10
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Does anybody know whether those do-it-yourself-at-home tests from the pharmacy are able to detect the delta version?
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Why shouldn't they? Though, they are not recommended for people with symptoms and kids.
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Axa, in basel bars&restaurants were closed and McD Burgerking were open . End of story.

What's funny is how sometimes, you can talk with people and you say " oh in bread they put too much of sugar and salt" and the other person is saying "oh I dont care. I never eat bread." you see? it's not because you saw a kebab shop open that my argument is invalid, I can take as an example Sweden or Bhutan .
I think we have discussed this before - restaurants which adapted to takeaways/deliveries have survived. Unfortunately, some didn't open after the restrictions were lifted because well, they will never open again. I bet some weren't doing that great before the pandemic either. Why, maybe because not all are good.
Restaurants in CH (and not only) are a risky business.
Btw, yesterday all of them seemed occupied by football fans...so there is hope.
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Old 03.07.2021, 10:22
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Strange how vaccination stubbornly remains political.

As of Friday, 18 US states had met Biden's goal, with 70% of their adult populations having received at least one dose, they were all states Biden won in the 2020 election.
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I think we have discussed this before - restaurants which adapted to takeaways/deliveries have survived. Unfortunately, some didn't open after the restrictions were lifted because well, they will never open again. I bet some weren't doing that great before the pandemic either. Why, maybe because not all are good.
Restaurants in CH (and not only) are a risky business.
Btw, yesterday all of them seemed occupied by football fans...so there is hope.
Resturant generally are very poor business's from a financial perspective Many families have lost all their savings setting up a Resturant & failing, 18 months later another family does the same thing since & repeat
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