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Old 05.07.2021, 18:23
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Re: Coronavirus

I don't understand - Tony Clifton (and probably others) have described the symptoms in younger people as like a mild cold.

Why would they need health-care?

Are these Spanish health-workers lying or are they part of some conspiracy?
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Old 05.07.2021, 18:34
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Re: Coronavirus

I guess MajorGrubert forgot to quote the first paragraph in the article:

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Covid infections among young people have once again triggered the incidence in Spain, which, according to figures published by Health on Friday, reaches 153 cases per 100,000 inhabitants. But the consequences of the rebound are presumed different from those brought by the other waves of the pandemic. To begin with, because vaccination is very advanced and, with the bulk of the most vulnerable immunized, transmission is focused on the younger group, who usually pass the disease mildly. Thus, the experts point out, a massive increase in hospitalizations and admission to intensive care is not expected, although they do warn that the burden of care pressure will be fully transferred to primary care, in charge of treating mild cases.
Basically, family docs are complaining that the young getting mildly sick still ask for medical services. Thus, family docs warn of overwhelmed primary care. It's not about ICUs, but Mo-Fr 9 to 5 appointments.
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Old 05.07.2021, 19:18
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I don't understand - Tony Clifton (and probably others) have described the symptoms in younger people as like a mild cold.

Why would they need health-care?

Are these Spanish health-workers lying or are they part of some conspiracy?
Itís is mild for the vast majority of young people (unless theyíre severely overweight).

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Au contraire, reproductive number looking good.
Or to be safe TC, just keep your mask on
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Old 05.07.2021, 19:54
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Re: Coronavirus

I have a feeling that the Delta mutation is going to continue to spread like crazy until the majority of kids of all ages are / can be vaccinated.

They seem to really be doing a lot of random pool testing in schools now. My son (9 years old) has brought home a "spit test" twice in the past 2 1/2 weeks.
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I don't understand - Tony Clifton (and probably others) have described the symptoms in younger people as like a mild cold.

Why would they need health-care?

Are these Spanish health-workers lying or are they part of some conspiracy?
That is exactly what they are like for the large, large majority of young people. Simply fake news to suggest otherwise.

The problem for the Spanish is that they anticipate not bringing back the diabetics etc back in for treatment because of high Covid numbers either a) posing a threat to these ill people, and/or b) taking up so much hospital capacity that other services are impacted.

The reality is that they should be looking to the UK, which is a month or so infront. Cases are high, Hospitalisations are low, deaths are low. Herd immunity is being arrived at cheaply. The reasons why we couldn't "let it rip" previously have dissipated thanks to vaccination.

Yes, it's better to get there by vaccination alone rather an unnecessary extra wave, but evidently there's too many idiots not getting vaccinated so this is how it'll have to be done. TINA unless you want to force people to get vaccinated - politically infeasible. The only use of distancing is flattening the curve - only useful for a) buying time for vaccines to come and b) stopping hospitals from being overloaded. As regards a) shortly everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be done, b) not likely to happen, certainly not at speed. In any case, a decent degree of distancing will happen regardless of relaxation.

I'd like to see a defence of not letting it rip here (in say 6 weeks time). What would be the alternative?

To be honest. Delta will either get us in the summer if we remove restrictions or the winter if we don't. It's too infectious - as AU and NZ are about to find out.

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Old 05.07.2021, 20:01
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Re: Coronavirus

Boris Johnson announced a couple of hours ago that on 19th July virtually all Covid restrictions will go. No masks, no social distancing, no work from home orders, night clubs reopening, basically everything back to normalcy. About time too! Hopefully Switzerland will follow the example in the coming weeks. The message is clearly Covid is something we have to live with.
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Boris Johnson announced a couple of hours ago that on 19th July virtually all Covid restrictions will go. No masks, no social distancing, no work from home orders, night clubs reopening, basically everything back to normalcy. About time too! Hopefully Switzerland will follow the example in the coming weeks. The message is clearly Covid is something we have to live with.

Also bear in mind thats 14 days away and with current vaccination rates than 7+ more million people being fully double vaxed by then so another 10% of the population.

Plus they're still reserving judgement for 12 July to make the final call - so it could still go tits up yet.

I personally would like to see some sanity re amber countries and travel - its ridiculous that I can travel from the UK on my NHS app vaccine cert but have to have an antigen test plus potentially day 2 and 8 tests even as a regular commuter to go back to the UK for a longer period despite it being their own app doing the bloody proof!
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I have a feeling that the Delta mutation is going to continue to spread like crazy until the majority of kids of all ages are / can be vaccinated.
no, it will run thru faster (because of much higher R, if its true), but also will be finished faster for same reason
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Old 05.07.2021, 22:32
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no, it will run thru faster (because of much higher R, if its true), but also will be finished faster for same reason
Do you mean to say that school-aged kids will quickly reach "herd-immunity" among those age groups because the majority of them will get the virus before they've had the chance to be vaccinated? If so, I don't think that really contradicts my other comment.

(I am really tired right now, though, so I'm sorry if I misunderstood you).
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Do you mean to say that school-aged kids will quickly reach "herd-immunity" among those age groups because the majority of them will get the virus before they've had the chance to be vaccinated?
yeah, exactly.people will get immunity one way or another. and it seems natural way will do the job faster
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If so, I don't think that really contradicts my other comment.

(I am really tired right now, though, so I'm sorry if I misunderstood you).
ok, sorry, may be its me, who misread you.
got my second shot today and it seems sideeffects are: sleepless night, thirst to argue with someone on EF
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Old 06.07.2021, 08:00
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Boris Johnson announced a couple of hours ago that on 19th July virtually all Covid restrictions will go. No masks, no social distancing, no work from home orders, night clubs reopening, basically everything back to normalcy. About time too! Hopefully Switzerland will follow the example in the coming weeks. The message is clearly Covid is something we have to live with.
It seems logical. If measures stay, those who are still undecided about vaxing will not have the incentive to vax.

I just saw CH turning green, from its orange status. Anyone else saw that yesterday?
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Old 06.07.2021, 08:14
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Anyone know if Switzerland are accepting the NHS app for vaccine proof? Canít find anywhere what proof is accepted for non-EU visitors.
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Old 06.07.2021, 08:31
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Anyone know if Switzerland are accepting the NHS app for vaccine proof? Canít find anywhere what proof is accepted for non-EU visitors.
Does this answer it? 18 and 19
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Not really. 18 & 19 say nothing about form of proof. 4 & 11 do, but they are a bit wishy washy!
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I just saw CH turning green, from its orange status. Anyone else saw that yesterday?
Itís still orange on the BAG site. I canít see how it can turn to green as long as there are still restrictions in place.
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It’s still orange on the BAG site. I can’t see how it can turn to green as long as there are still restrictions in place.
I thought it was based on cases, Malta was the first country the EU classed as green, required all people to wear masks outside for the first month. Now groups of 2 can be outside without masks if fully vaccinated
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Not really. 18 & 19 say nothing about form of proof. 4 & 11 do, but they are a bit wishy washy!
The great thing about codified law is it does not need interpreting.
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Anyone know if Switzerland are accepting the NHS app for vaccine proof? Can’t find anywhere what proof is accepted for non-EU visitors.
Yes - my dad got through on Sunday. He also brought a print out. I think most aren't getting checked tbh.
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tw, vaccinated does not eligible to get free covid tests anymore
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In which country?
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Anyone know if Switzerland are accepting the NHS app for vaccine proof? Canít find anywhere what proof is accepted for non-EU visitors.
Yes used my NHS app the other Sunday the day after the rules changed. No problems just checking in at Heathrow with the app with Swiss. The guy checked my phone and verified I was > 14 days past my 2nd jab and off I went.
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