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Old 06.07.2021, 10:08
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I thought it was based on cases, Malta was the first country the EU classed as green, required all people to wear masks outside for the first month. Now groups of 2 can be outside without masks if fully vaccinated.
Ah, I donít think weíre referring to the same thing.

I assumed MC was referring to the level of alert in Switzerland which is categorised by the different colours on the posters.
That is still orange.
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Old 06.07.2021, 10:21
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The problem for the Spanish is that they anticipate not bringing back the diabetics etc back in for treatment because of high Covid numbers either a) posing a threat to these ill people, and/or b) taking up so much hospital capacity that other services are impacted.
I'm in Spain right now.

One of the things about anything that has to do with the government in Spain is that it is political. Healthcare is politicized. Education is politicized. Of all the trade unions, the ones with the most muscle and influence are the public sector ones. And if you want to survive in Spanish politics, the unwritten law is that you don't make these unions your enemies.

So why miss a chance and go back to normal when you can hold the government to ransom and claim there is a crisis so you can get more money?
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Old 06.07.2021, 10:42
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The y axis shows total cases, not new cases, right?
New cases only. Total cases can only rise (or be flat).

And the ratio of immunised would go above what's implied by R, because at the time 1/R is reached there still are infected who will infect others. Less than at the start of the curve but still n>0 for a while.
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Old 06.07.2021, 11:06
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New cases only. Total cases can only rise (or be flat).

And the ratio of immunised would go above what's implied by R, because at the time 1/R is reached there still are infected who will infect others. Less than at the start of the curve but still n>0 for a while.
Sorry, I was imprecise.

(a) I meant, does it represent the total number of infected but unrecovered cases.

(b) Or does it represent the total number of new infections per (unstated) unit of time.

In case (b) the integral of the curve would be the accumulated number of infected persons which should correlate to the total number of immune cases thereafter (factoring in average recovery time).

In case (a) you can probably extract case (b) with a filter that allows for the recovery time.

And isn't R defined as the reproduction rate in the hypothetical situation that nobody else is infected and nobody is immune. In other words, it's only really correct at the beginning of a new pandemic and strictly not even then, and decreases continuously thereafter.
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Old 06.07.2021, 11:43
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I'd like to see a defence of not letting it rip here (in say 6 weeks time). What would be the alternative?

My second vaccine is in 2 weeks time, then 2 more weeks to update the firmware of my body. So yes, after 4-6 weeks we should let it rip


Anyone who is not vaccinated by 6 weeks time has only themselves to blame.
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Old 06.07.2021, 11:59
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tw, vaccinated does not eligible to get free covid tests anymore
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In which country?
Switzerland.
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Correct.


Switzerland.
Ah, you mean those useless self-tests for home use. I still have 17 left from the first month and didn't collect any new ones while I don't have enough storage space for them.

Good that normal antigen tests are still free.
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Old 06.07.2021, 12:32
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Ah, you mean those useless self-tests for home use. I still have 17 left from the first month and didn't collect any new ones while I don't have enough storage space for them.

Good that normal antigen tests are still free.
Mine turned out to be quite useful when I had a terrible cough and a high fever (39.5) between my doses!
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I'm in Spain right now.

One of the things about anything that has to do with the government in Spain is that it is political. Healthcare is politicized. Education is politicized. Of all the trade unions, the ones with the most muscle and influence are the public sector ones. And if you want to survive in Spanish politics, the unwritten law is that you don't make these unions your enemies.

So why miss a chance and go back to normal when you can hold the government to ransom and claim there is a crisis so you can get more money?
I was there last weekend for a wedding. All the Spanish guests arrived wearing masks outside, then took them off as they entered the building and started hugging each other, shaking hands and singingl!
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If anyone needs them I can post (within Switzerland) two completely unused packages of 5 tests. Just send me a PM.

Edited to add, only for those waiting for vaccination are already in the process.
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Old 06.07.2021, 13:32
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Ah, you mean those useless self-tests for home use. I still have 17 left from the first month and didn't collect any new ones while I don't have enough storage space for them.

Good that normal antigen tests are still free.
I call them the "do-it-yourself-housewife-tests".

Why would people have them stored at home and not use them? Grab anything that is for free, whether you use them or not?!

I got one pack of them ages ago. I was curious.
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Old 06.07.2021, 13:35
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Ah, you mean those useless self-tests for home use. I still have 17 left from the first month and didn't collect any new ones while I don't have enough storage space for them.

Good that normal antigen tests are still free.
The antigen test they use in pharmacies is identical to the one they give you for home. Only that most people at home either don't use it properly or don't use it at all.
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Old 06.07.2021, 13:37
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Re: Coronavirus

I find those home tests really difficult to do correctly. You have to put the swab up your nose at least 2 centimeters and then swirl it around for a bit. Not quite as uncomfortable as the brain-probe swabs (), but still very uncomfortable.

I realized I wasn't doing the home tests correctly when my son's doctor gave me a Covid test while she was testing my son as well. She mentioned that it was the same swab that is used in the home tests and when she put it up my nose, I realized she was going up quite far with it -- much farther than I was when I had used the swab myself. My eyes were watering like crazy.
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Old 06.07.2021, 13:40
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The antigen test they use in pharmacies is identical to the one they give you for home. Only that most people at home either don't use it properly or don't use it at all.
You have to use it?

I thought just having one in your home protects you against COVID?
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You have to use it?

I thought just having one in your home protects you against COVID?
Maybe we really on the verge on some sort of Covid cargo cult.
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Todays published numbers 274 out of 21 k tests

3 hospitalisations
0 death

https://www.20min.ch/story/das-ist-d...z-136662375229

Compared to last week tuesday 129 out of 16 k tests

8 hospitalisations
2 death
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Israel confirms vaccine less effective against Delta variant, eyes third dose

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Israelís Health Ministry released data on Monday showing that the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID vaccine appears to largely prevent hospitalization and serious cases, but is significantly less effective against preventing the spread of the Delta variant of the coronavirus.

According to the ministry, the Pfizer vaccineís effectiveness in preventing symptomatic COVID-19 has dropped by some 30 percent to 64%, given the spread of the Delta variant. The data shows that during May, when the strain was less prevalent, the vaccine was 94.3% effective.

The Delta variant, which is believed to be twice as contagious as the original strain of COVID-19, is thought to be responsible for 90% of new cases in Israel over the past two weeks.
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I find those home tests really difficult to do correctly. You have to put the swab up your nose at least 2 centimeters and then swirl it around for a bit. Not quite as uncomfortable as the brain-probe swabs (), but still very uncomfortable.

I realized I wasn't doing the home tests correctly when my son's doctor gave me a Covid test while she was testing my son as well. She mentioned that it was the same swab that is used in the home tests and when she put it up my nose, I realized she was going up quite far with it -- much farther than I was when I had used the swab myself. My eyes were watering like crazy.
I started to sneeze like crazy plus the eye watering.
Quite a mess
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If DeltaForce is as good as they say it is, it will get through the population quicker than the 3rd dose can be administered.
Itís possibly inevitable that most people will end up vaccinated and also catching Delta over the next few months, unless they are very wary.
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I find those home tests really difficult to do correctly. You have to put the swab up your nose at least 2 centimeters and then swirl it around for a bit. Not quite as uncomfortable as the brain-probe swabs (), but still very uncomfortable.

I realized I wasn't doing the home tests correctly when my son's doctor gave me a Covid test while she was testing my son as well. She mentioned that it was the same swab that is used in the home tests and when she put it up my nose, I realized she was going up quite far with it -- much farther than I was when I had used the swab myself. My eyes were watering like crazy.
Funnily enough I was discussing these with a friend who was basically telling me to 'man up' or similar because I was commenting how unpleasant they are and she's telling me how she does her children. Then I discover in the UK with kids they do a throat swab usually not ramming it halfway to their brain - something completely different entirely.

A properly done one by a technician is not a pleasant experience and even after 20+ of them to travel it doesnt get any more comfortable. The saliva PCR tests at the airport and elsewhere are much nicer, although damned expensive.
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