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Old 06.07.2021, 15:10
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Mine turned out to be quite useful when I had a terrible cough and a high fever (39.5) between my doses!
Sorry to disappoint you but BAG doesn't recommended to use them for people with symptoms. As well as for people visiting relatives from the risk group in nursing homes. As well as for kids. That's why I called them useless.

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The antigen test they use in pharmacies is identical to the one they give you for home. Only that most people at home either don't use it properly or don't use it at all.
I'm not sure. BAG showed different graphs for the preciseness of these two kids of tests. Also I believe the professional ones are taken deeper from your nose then the ones for home.

But the biggest difference is that the ones for home are valid neither for travel not for school events.

I think the main reason why they are not free anymore is that you can tell that the vaccinated person has no coronavirus with the same probability as the person tested negative at home with self test.

According to BAG, there are two scenarios when these tests might be useful, like, you regularly test yourself once a week (say, Monday morning before work) or you have an event (like the meeting of your local club) where you are not supposed to contact persons from the risk group so you test yourself before this event. None of this is needed for vaccinated. For any other reasons you need a professional antigen test.

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Also I believe the professional ones are taken deeper from your nose then the ones for home.
I dont think there is difference of the probe size for "professional" one and for home use
moreover I almost 100% sure they are the same
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Old 06.07.2021, 15:51
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Re: Coronavirus

My daughter has a test on Monday so I'll have a look and let you know.
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Old 06.07.2021, 16:15
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Sorry, I was imprecise.

(a) I meant, does it represent the total number of infected but unrecovered cases.

(b) Or does it represent the total number of new infections per (unstated) unit of time.

In case (b) the integral of the curve would be the accumulated number of infected persons which should correlate to the total number of immune cases thereafter (factoring in average recovery time).

In case (a) you can probably extract case (b) with a filter that allows for the recovery time.

And isn't R defined as the reproduction rate in the hypothetical situation that nobody else is infected and nobody is immune. In other words, it's only really correct at the beginning of a new pandemic and strictly not even then, and decreases continuously thereafter.
An uncomplicated infection lasts somehing like 10-15 days. Thus I read it as b), if it was a) the peak should be much more plateau-y with a width of (at least) something like those 10-15 days.

"... total number of cases is the integral ...".
Yup. However immunisation takes time, probably the time recovery takes, IIRC 10-15 days after symptom onset in an uncomplicated case.

"R decreases the more have been infected".
Yup.
The correct expression is R(0), and something like "R(0) for the Delta variant is estimated to be around 8". Delta's effective R(now) in CH should be somewhere around 4.
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Old 06.07.2021, 16:29
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Re: Coronavirus

Am I the only one, who finds a few bits of this article disturbing?

<<Warning of the dangers posed by the Delta variant, opposition leader Benjamin Netanyahu last week urged Bennett and Horowitz to start giving Israelis a third coronavirus vaccine dose in August, despite Pfizer tests on the third dose having not yet been completed.>>

<<Netanyahu said in a video released on his social media channels that “from conversations I’ve had with some of the best experts in the world, I believe the third vaccine [dose] should be given to the over-50 population starting in August, in order to finish the task by the end of September.”>>

Ah, that's all good then. If he - educated in architecture, management and political science - believes it's the way to go.

They hoarded vaccine and now they don't know what to do with them, as they expire - and the Brits already decided, they don't want them:

<<Israel purchased millions of vaccines from Pfizer and was among the first countries to receive them late last year. Despite having millions of unused doses, it inked a deal in April under Netanyahu for 18 million more doses, in case they were needed for booster shots. Those doses have yet to arrive.

Israel’s stockpile of Pfizer vaccines, however, is slated to expire at
the end of July and the government is working on efforts to prevent doses from being trashed.>>

What a country. It's okay for me not to live there.
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Old 06.07.2021, 17:28
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Re: Coronavirus

COVID-19 cases were up in nearly half of U.S. states, a USA TODAY Network analysis of Johns Hopkins University data shows, mostly in Republican states

Alaska and Arkansas more than doubled cases in just the last week. South Carolina and Kansas are up more than 50%.

Missouri leads the nation with the most new cases per capita in the past 14 days; 39.4% of residents there are fully vaccinated.
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Sorry to disappoint you but BAG doesn't recommended to use them for people with symptoms. As well as for people visiting relatives from the risk group in nursing homes. As well as for kids. That's why I called them useless.
I think those home tests were given out with the primary intention of asymptomatic people using them prior to going to work, prior to getting together in groups, etc. But when I, like HickvonFrick, also had a fever and was sick a few weeks ago with a cold, my doctor advised me to do one of those home tests and then also to get a regular test if (and only if ) my son had tested positive for Covid (since I had caught whatever virus it was from him).
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Also I believe the professional ones are taken deeper from your nose then the ones for home.
The official user documentation says 2 cm in both cases (professional use and self-testing).
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Re: Coronavirus

Maybe the swabs themselves are the same length, but when I was tested by my son's doctor a few weeks ago, she told me that it doesn't go up your nose as far as the other tests normally do and that it was just like the home kits swab in terms of how far in it goes. I was also told the same thing by an Apotheke worker when I first picked up my home test kit. She said that you only have to put it up your nose 2 cm's and doesn't go as far up your nose as the other tests do (e.g. at testing centers). I've had a total of five tests now, with the first four being the "brain probes" and there is quite a difference, sensation-wise, between those and the one that only goes in 2 cm's -- though neither are comfortable.
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Old 07.07.2021, 13:33
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I'm in Spain right now.

One of the things about anything that has to do with the government in Spain is that it is political. Healthcare is politicized. Education is politicized. Of all the trade unions, the ones with the most muscle and influence are the public sector ones. And if you want to survive in Spanish politics, the unwritten law is that you don't make these unions your enemies.

So why miss a chance and go back to normal when you can hold the government to ransom and claim there is a crisis so you can get more money?
More than political as the delta variant drives Spain’s Covid-19 rate to highest in mainland Europe.
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Re: Coronavirus

Todays published numbers 295 out of 23 k tests

10 hospitalisations
3 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last wednesday 129 out of 17 k tests

6 hospitalisations
1 death
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Todays published numbers 295 out of 23 k tests

10 hospitalisations
3 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last wednesday 129 out of 17 k tests

6 hospitalisations
1 death
Oh dear. Really its the time to get vaccinated now if you haven't already...
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Todays published numbers 295 out of 23 k tests

10 hospitalisations
3 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

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6 hospitalisations
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Deaths rise by 300% in a week!
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Todays published numbers 295 out of 23 k tests

10 hospitalisations
3 death

https://www.covid19.admin.ch/en/overview

Compared to last wednesday 129 out of 17 k tests

6 hospitalisations
1 death
Hello Delta my old friend…

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Re: Coronavirus

Swiss newspapers are claiming the EU will formally accept the Swiss COVID certificate as valid on Friday.
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Hello Delta my old friend…

So infuriating how almost no controls were made when it was first discovered and now here we are, just when we should be getting on with things.
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Deaths rise by 300% in a week!
200% actually

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even if you come with an axe in your back, but with covid, you'll have to pay
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The expert, who withdrew his name due to fear of death threats from anti-vaccine advocates, said health insurers should not be forced to pay the costs of people who “negligently spread the disease”.

Rui Biagini from the Protect the Kids initiative, said vaccinations should be made compulsory for all people entering education institutions.
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So infuriating how almost no controls were made when it was first discovered and now here we are, just when we should be getting on with things.
It was already ‘in the wild’ when it was discovered. There is nothing that can be done to halt it. It’s everywhere, and it was always going to get everywhere.
So we either take it now in the summer, or later in the autumn/winter, but ride this wave we shall.
Now’s as good a time as any.
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