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200% actually
I was only 100% out
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Old 07.07.2021, 17:39
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So infuriating how almost no controls were made when it was first discovered and now here we are, just when we should be getting on with things.
What were they supposed to do though? Viruses gonna virus. Much of the EU closed borders with the UK which was basically pointless. Delta was already on the continent and all itís taken is time for it to dominate.

Ultimately this is why itís looking as if we finally may be at the end of the cycle of lockdown restrictions as governments grasp that itís unlikely to get much better than the situation that we have now. Vaccines help but arenít as effective as many believe, variants are always going to be around, Covid is always going to be around. Time to learn to live with it.
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Old 07.07.2021, 17:48
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What were they supposed to do though? Viruses gonna virus. Much of the EU closed borders with the UK which was basically pointless. Delta was already on the continent and all itís taken is time for it to dominate.

Ultimately this is why itís looking as if we finally may be at the end of the cycle of lockdown restrictions as governments grasp that itís unlikely to get much better than the situation that we have now. Vaccines help but arenít as effective as many believe, variants are always going to be around, Covid is always going to be around. Time to learn to live with it.
I've come to the conclusion that even if vaccinated we will probably get it sooner or later - but vaccination will be protective against serious illness.

Really is getting close to open up time now the vaccine rollout is drawing to a close.
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Really is getting close to open up time now the vaccine rollout is drawing to a close.
Once we reach 75% double jabs, not before.
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Old 07.07.2021, 18:12
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I've come to the conclusion that even if vaccinated we will probably get it sooner or later - but vaccination will be protective against serious illness.
My thoughts exactly.
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Old 07.07.2021, 18:59
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no pushing of cause

even if you come with an axe in your back, but with covid, you'll have to pay
Nothing new there . Insurers are always interested in finding reasons not to pay .
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Old 07.07.2021, 19:03
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no pushing of cause

even if you come with an axe in your back, but with covid, you'll have to pay
So that maybe means people who donít get vaccinated pay lower premiums ?
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Old 07.07.2021, 19:08
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I've come to the conclusion that even if vaccinated we will probably get it sooner or later - but vaccination will be protective against serious illness.

Really is getting close to open up time now the vaccine rollout is drawing to a close.
What is left to open up? Other than masks.
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Old 07.07.2021, 19:13
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Once we reach 75% double jabs, not before.
I've no problem waiting for everyone who wants to be vaccinated and joins the queue in respectable time.

But if we don't reach that 75% (of adults I presume?) because of antivaxxers?
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Old 07.07.2021, 19:16
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What is left to open up? Other than masks.
As someone who has a reasonably long train commute and is short sighted and requires glasses they are a huge pain. I might still wear a FFP2 mask when it's packed but when it isn't I'd rather go without. I tend to do c. 10.30 to 7.30 or later at work (my team has quite a few based in the US so these hours are better) so it's usually quiet for me.
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Old 07.07.2021, 19:22
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I've come to the conclusion that even if vaccinated we will probably get it sooner or later - but vaccination will be protective against serious illness.

Really is getting close to open up time now the vaccine rollout is drawing to a close.
Thatís my feeling too.

Thereís not really much left to open here to be honest, we havenít got a lot to complain about. Travel is the biggest headache as far as Iím concerned.
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Old 07.07.2021, 20:01
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So we either take it now in the summer, or later in the autumn/winter, but ride this wave we shall.
Nowís as good a time as any.
If it is inevitable, maybe it is best that it's happening in the Summer (here), when at least people's vitamin D tends to be higher.

(Not that the weather here hasn't been complete shit, though. ).
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Old 07.07.2021, 20:10
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If it is inevitable, maybe it is best that it's happening in the Summer (here), when at least people's vitamin D tends to be higher.

(Not that the weather here hasn't been complete shit, though. ).

I thought the latest is that Vit D does not help with Corona
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Old 07.07.2021, 20:11
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I thought the latest is that Vit D does not help with Corona
Oh, really? I guess I haven't heard or seen anything about that. The last I knew, proper vitamin D levels were recommended to help fight the inflammation associated with the virus.
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Old 07.07.2021, 20:22
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Oh, really? I guess I haven't heard or seen anything about that. The last I knew, proper vitamin D levels were recommended to help fight the inflammation associated with the virus.
There is so much conflicting info out there!!!! I continue to take my Vit D anyway.
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Old 07.07.2021, 20:52
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Oh, really? I guess I haven't heard or seen anything about that. The last I knew, proper vitamin D levels were recommended to help fight the inflammation associated with the virus.
Stopped taking it after the winter. There is no evidence at all that VitD has a positive effect. Yes, there is a correlation of severe disease and low VitD levels, but it might very well be that the cause of the two is not capable of being treated with VitD.
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Old 07.07.2021, 21:07
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As someone who has a reasonably long train commute and is short sighted and requires glasses they are a huge pain. I might still wear a FFP2 mask when it's packed but when it isn't I'd rather go without. I tend to do c. 10.30 to 7.30 or later at work (my team has quite a few based in the US so these hours are better) so it's usually quiet for me.
Ok, I am not a fan of masks either. I have just lost overview what other measures are still in place.

As for your problem, the solution I practice is: wfh, car, contact lenses. I rather keep mask mandates if this means wfh is extended. Selfish me.
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Old 07.07.2021, 21:16
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There is so much conflicting info out there!!!! I continue to take my Vit D anyway.
Same here. I take a multivitamin (Centrum) every day that has 100% vit D in it, and yet still, every time I have my vit D levels checked, it's too low. So I take the vit D drops as well now and try to get out in the sun.

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Stopped taking it after the winter. There is no evidence at all that VitD has a positive effect. Yes, there is a correlation of severe disease and low VitD levels, but it might very well be that the cause of the two is not capable of being treated with VitD.
Well, I know that vitamin D inhibits inflammation (pro-inflammatory cytokines), and Covid can cause severe inflammation of the respiratory tract, so I would think that would translate into vitamin D helping to fight the inflammation caused by the virus. But maybe there is new research out there about that now. This is one of the last studies that I had come across:

Analysis of vitamin D level among asymptomatic and critically ill COVID-19 patients and its correlation with inflammatory markers
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77093-z
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Old 07.07.2021, 21:29
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Once we reach 75% double jabs, not before.
You may run out of people to vaccinate, Malta started with 12-15 years olds last week. 68% double vaccinated 72.7 1 shot, the gap is narrowing very quickly. UK has caught up with Israel
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Old 07.07.2021, 22:17
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Same here. I take a multivitamin (Centrum) every day that has 100% vit D in it, and yet still, every time I have my vit D levels checked, it's too low. So I take the vit D drops as well now and try to get out in the sun.



Well, I know that vitamin D inhibits inflammation (pro-inflammatory cytokines), and Covid can cause severe inflammation of the respiratory tract, so I would think that would translate into vitamin D helping to fight the inflammation caused by the virus. But maybe there is new research out there about that now. This is one of the last studies that I had come across:

Analysis of vitamin D level among asymptomatic and critically ill COVID-19 patients and its correlation with inflammatory markers
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-77093-z
That is the issue. Correlation does not equal causation. You can take VitD, I think there is no harm, but I have arrived at the conclusion that it very likely is also no help.
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