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Everyone over 18 has had the chance to be double vaccinated within a couple of weeks now.
Over 16.
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Old 15.07.2021, 10:19
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Agree, the other bigger risk from unvaccinated people is that they are all variant factories. The more unvaccinated people there are then the higher the risk of deadlier variants.
Most naturally evolving viruses become less deadly over time.

Darwin says if you don't kill you host you have more chances of infecting other people.
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Old 15.07.2021, 10:21
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Over 16.
I know this is valid for here, other countries are still behind.

Ireland is still on the 30+ category.
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Protection? Every adult has a vote.
If I'm going to be really cynical I'd say the only democratic freedom really worth having is to leave if the other members of the electorate make a bad choice.

Just look at Trump. Britain was a % or 2 away from having Jeremy Corbyn as prime minister in 2017...
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Old 15.07.2021, 10:26
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Agree, the other bigger risk from unvaccinated people is that they are all variant factories. The more unvaccinated people there are then the higher the risk of deadlier variants.
No actually.

If the virus rips wild then there will be different variants and people will have different levels of immunity depending on the variant they had. You thus have a heterogenic and diverse immunity which means any iterative new variant can at best affect only pockets of the population.

For example there are people who have immunity without having been vaccinated or exposed to the virus but who picked it up off some other member of the coronavirus family.

Vaccination creates a homogenic immunity which means that any new variant that works out how to overcome that can run completely wild.

They should have vaccinated the old and vulnerable and stopped there.
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Old 15.07.2021, 10:59
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They should have vaccinated the old and vulnerable and stopped there.
You must be joking ... how would that worked with all of the viruses vaccination has almost completely eradicated?

And there would be variants even if there wasn't vaccination, which we have clearly seen prior to any being made available.

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I'm afraid of government beginning to think it knows best and that it is better placed to make decisions for me than I am.
You are viewing this entirely too much from your own perspective ... that is the equivalent of stating "there shouldn't be any laws because I am a good person who wouldn't commit any crimes".
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I'm not interested in unjustified fears of extremely unlikely events. One can hide under ones bed if one likes. Yes you are very marginally endagered from covid by unvaccinated people, but your death rate as a vaccinated person is far less than the death rate from influenza in flu season, or from a huge range of everyday activities. Certainly, the risk to you is not worth putting significant restrictions on society.

I have been fully vaccinated and have been for weeks now. I agree it is the right decision, but I also believe in other people's freedoms to make their own decisions and live with the consequences.
"Unjustified fears of extremely unlikely events"
I am less frightened of covid than I am of having a biking accident. I take resonable precautions to avoid either extemely unlikely event. I get pissed off by motorists who drive recklessly, similarily for people who are covid reckless -they are endangering others.


The significant restrictions on society are now being driven by a slowing uptake of the vaccine, the spread of variants (it will not stop with delta) and non-observance of simple social measures.

To my mind, covid arguments against authoritarianism are insulting to people who have suffered real oppression from authoritarian regimes.

If you want the restrictions to go away, take sensible personal decisions.
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:14
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Protection? Every adult has a vote.
Do they?
I donít. I have been away from the UK for too long to have a vote there and I am not Swiss so I have no vote here therefore I have no voting rights anywhere.
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(from NYT paywall).
I just hope the seven gnomes have the guts to follow.
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Much as I would like more people to be vaccinated and we reach herd immunity more quickly I really hope they don’t do that here.
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France should be our model to avoid, not copy.
Well from what they've set out here in their communication (https://www.bag.admin.ch/dam/bag/fr/...tifikat_fr.pdf) on the Covid certificate, they can't.

They've established:
'green' zone = essential services like transport, commerce where it cannot be used
'orange' zone= possible to be used like to prevent closures
'red' zone = used as a temporary condition of re-opening, like international travel, large scale events.

See doc. for details.
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:21
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You must be joking ... how would that worked with all of the viruses vaccination has almost completely eradicated?
I though we were talking about COVID.

Not some whataboutothervirus that we didn't put the world into lockdown over.
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:24
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You are viewing this entirely too much from your own perspective ... that is the equivalent of stating "there shouldn't be any laws because I am a good person who wouldn't commit any crimes".
Laws are typically based on the underlying concept of equality.

A law that intentionally creates a two tier society is the sort of thing you might expect to find in a dictatorship.
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:27
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No actually.

If the virus rips wild then there will be different variants and people will have different levels of immunity depending on the variant they had. You thus have a heterogenic and diverse immunity which means any iterative new variant can at best affect only pockets of the population.

For example there are people who have immunity without having been vaccinated or exposed to the virus but who picked it up off some other member of the coronavirus family.

Vaccination creates a homogenic immunity which means that any new variant that works out how to overcome that can run completely wild.

They should have vaccinated the old and vulnerable and stopped there.
Is this your professional opinion as virologist / immunologist? Don't quit your day job!
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:33
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Is this your professional opinion as virologist / immunologist? Don't quit your day job!
My professional opinion as a not immunologist is that it doesn't matter what Switzerland does as the UK will doubtless donate the next nasty variant...
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:35
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"Unjustified fears of extremely unlikely events"
I am less frightened of covid than I am of having a biking accident. I take resonable precautions to avoid either extemely unlikely event. I get pissed off by motorists who drive recklessly, similarily for people who are covid reckless -they are endangering others.


The significant restrictions on society are now being driven by a slowing uptake of the vaccine, the spread of variants (it will not stop with delta) and non-observance of simple social measures.

To my mind, covid arguments against authoritarianism are insulting to people who have suffered real oppression from authoritarian regimes.

If you want the restrictions to go away, take sensible personal decisions.
That's pretty dodgy territory. Its like saying those who suffer from a painful condition shouldn't complain because its not pancreatic cancer.

I don't want any authoritarianism.
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:36
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My professional opinion as a not immunologist is that it doesn't matter what Switzerland does as the UK will doubtless donate the next nasty variant...
Komsomolez wasn't talking to you - he or she was speaking to someone else who thinks they are a subject matter expert in anything & everything in accordance to their political biases.

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I though we were talking about COVID.

Not some whataboutothervirus that we didn't put the world into lockdown over.
We are talking about Covid and we are talking about lessons we should have learned from past viruses - but you want to make it political and turn a civic responsibility into Orwell's 1984.

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Old 15.07.2021, 11:39
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Remarkable that people are still clamouring for vaccinating EVERYONE when the latest indications are that these vaccines are not nearly as effective at preventing the spread of the virus as weíve been promised. The UK reported 42,000 cases yesterday, despite being one of the most vaccinated countries on the planet. 49 deaths too, keep an eye on that, itís also rising.

Malta too, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, 1000% increase in the number of cases from last week. Itís exploding over there. Starting to think the idea of herd immunity is just a pipe dream!
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Remarkable that people are still clamouring for vaccinating EVERYONE when the latest indications are that these vaccines are not nearly as effective at preventing the spread of the virus as we’ve been promised. The UK reported 42,000 cases yesterday, despite being one of the most vaccinated countries on the planet. 49 deaths too, keep an eye on that, it’s also rising.

Malta too, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, 1000% increase in the number of cases from last week. It’s exploding over there. Starting to think the idea of herd immunity is just a pipe dream!
Tony, the vaccine is very effective at stopping serious cases and deaths.

Herd immunity is a pipe dream if we don't get enough people vaccinated.
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Old 15.07.2021, 11:45
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You must be joking ... how would that worked with all of the viruses vaccination has almost completely eradicated?
Susie , this is wrong assumption. (to a degree we can believe it did eradicate smallpox)

Vaccination has not eradicated viruses. As a mattter of fact we have flu viruses RNA and DNA every year and a vaccine and still we have the virus over and over. the SARS cov1 SARS cov2 arent any different or an exception.
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Remarkable that people are still clamouring for vaccinating EVERYONE when the latest indications are that these vaccines are not nearly as effective at preventing the spread of the virus as we’ve been promised. The UK reported 42,000 cases yesterday, despite being one of the most vaccinated countries on the planet. 49 deaths too, keep an eye on that, it’s also rising.

Malta too, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, 1000% increase in the number of cases from last week. It’s exploding over there. Starting to think the idea of herd immunity is just a pipe dream!
Even if it was - which I disagree with, it barely matters given the hospitalisation and death rates with vaccinated people. Not vaccinating everyone is madness.
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Susie , this is wrong assumption. (to a degree we can believe it did eradicate smallpox)

Vaccination has not eradicated viruses. As a mattter of fact we have flu viruses RNA and DNA every year and a vaccine and still we have the virus over and over. the SARS cov1 SARS cov2 arent any different or an exception.
Another insightful post from you Fair Dinkum...

"almost completely eradicated?"

Definition of almost: not quite; very nearly.
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