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Old 17.07.2021, 23:11
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Has your dog stopped biting strangers?
Muzzle works well.
I repeat "But in real life, I get to interact with the people I select."
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Old 17.07.2021, 23:12
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Exactly. I can generally ignore all the objectionable stuff, it’s rare that it bothers me to the point where I feel the need to participate.
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Old 18.07.2021, 10:01
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Exactly. I can generally ignore all the objectionable stuff, it’s rare that it bothers me to the point where I feel the need to participate.
When it does bother you it's actually the best moment/thing not to participate. The pack (the usual suspects) will sense it's a sensitive topic and bite.

Except for the corona thread. This is way too serious and they better not spread misinformation on this thread....but well, it's EF we're talking about.
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Old 18.07.2021, 10:27
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Nobody is safe

Health Secretary Sajid Javid says he has tested positive for Covid-19 and is suffering "very mild" symptoms.

Mr Javid, who said he had received both vaccine doses, took a lateral flow test on Saturday morning after feeling a "bit groggy" on Friday night and it came back positive.
Bojo and Rishi have been pinged by the NHS, so they should not go to work and self isolate for 10 days according to the rules.
However…a cunning plan has emerged.
They are now part of some scheme were they just need to take a lateral flow test every day to avoid the work restrictions, they do need to self isolate when not working.

Seems to make common sense to me, but should be immediately rolled out for the national.

Let the outrage and hate begin.
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Old 18.07.2021, 10:37
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Suspect this is what will happen to all of us sensible pro vac people. Eventually we catch the real thing but feel "a bit groggy" rather than get significantly ill. Then we get a more complete immunity.
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Heard on the radio that current estimates say AZ provides @60% protection against reinfection, with Pfizer @70%. From UK/Israel statistics.
Your suspicion will be born out.
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Delta for the win!
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Old 18.07.2021, 10:57
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Suspect this is what will happen to all of us sensible pro vac people. Eventually we catch the real thing but feel "a bit groggy" rather than get significantly ill. Then we get a more complete immunity.

Incidentally I note that UK cases are now plateauing.
Forget the immunity, you'll just likely not have a worse time of it if you're vaccinated. Saying that, around 30% of people dying from the Delta variant in the UK are double jabbed.

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Old 18.07.2021, 12:52
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Forget the immunity, you'll just likely not have a worse time of it if you're vaccinated. Saying that, around 30% of people dying from the Delta variant in the UK are double jabbed.
A misleading statistic!
The latest Public Health England (PHE) figures show there were 92,029 confirmed Delta cases between 1 February and 22 June, only 8% were fully vaccinated.

If the vaccine weren't helping, it would be expected to be more than half the cases.
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Old 18.07.2021, 13:57
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Seems to make common sense to me, but should be immediately rolled out for the national.

Let the outrage and hate begin.
No need. They've reversed their decision and will both self isolate after all.

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Old 18.07.2021, 13:59
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Forget the immunity, you'll just likely not have a worse time of it if you're vaccinated. Saying that, around 30% of people dying from the Delta variant in the UK are double jabbed.
Pre-existing conditions still apply to those double vaxxed -and age too…
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Old 18.07.2021, 16:15
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No need. They've reversed their decision and will both self isolate after all.

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I’d say they’d have done better politically sticking to their guns and triggering a massive opening up of the scheme from tomorrow rather than taking another U-turn to the chin.
That said, who the flip is advising them to make these damaging decisions in the first place?
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Old 18.07.2021, 16:59
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My brother double vaccinated went to Wembley Stadium last weekend to watch the football & has COVID, mild symptoms so far.
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Old 18.07.2021, 17:45
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Vaccinated??
Double vaccinated, UK were giving a first vaccination to his age group in February. I had my second jab on 7th May & he had already had his second jab by then.
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Old 18.07.2021, 18:05
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Re: Coronavirus

I have a co-worker who went to Bali (and didn't want to get vaccinated). He works from there (probably took a pay-cut).

I think he's been in bed for over a week, due to having caught COVID.

Personally, I think it's one of the dumbest decisions to go to a remote, tropical country with a questionable or at least spotty medical care situation in the midst of a pandemic.

I'm not too scared by COVID, but I don't try to tempt fate either.
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Old 18.07.2021, 18:16
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Muzzle works well.
I repeat "But in real life, I get to interact with the people I select."
Muzzle looks sad. Training, marton! Or is it too late? My friend said is too late and kept spoiling the little fellow......


As for interacting with people we select it's just in our private lives, I bet you didn't think of insufferable work colleagues or even worse, unpleasant bosses...
I found that having extreeeemely low expectation from EF helps. Otherwise I would have never visited it again. We have all kinds here.
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Old 18.07.2021, 18:57
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Muzzle looks sad. Training, marton! Or is it too late? My friend said is too late and kept spoiling the little fellow......


As for interacting with people we select it's just in our private lives, I bet you didn't think of insufferable work colleagues or even worse, unpleasant bosses...
I found that having extreeeemely low expectation from EF helps. Otherwise I would have never visited it again. We have all kinds here.
You train the pup that the muzzle is a good thing and allows for walks and treats. When my pup was a few years younger and she was in crowded places, she wore a muzzle. It let her breathe and drink and have treats and protected her. She was visibly calmer in her muzzle.
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Old 19.07.2021, 08:01
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My brother double vaccinated went to Wembley Stadium last weekend to watch the football & has COVID, mild symptoms so far.
Together with Saajid Javid and the Texas Dems that fled the state this week. Surely the numbers rising now in Israel, Malta, UK and Gibraltar (places with exceptionally high rates of vaccination) are enough to show that these vaccines will not prevent the spread of the virus nor people from contracting it?!
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Old 19.07.2021, 09:10
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Together with Saajid Javid and the Texas Dems that fled the state this week. Surely the numbers rising now in Israel, Malta, UK and Gibraltar (places with exceptionally high rates of vaccination) are enough to show that these vaccines will not prevent the spread of the virus nor people from contracting it?!
Tony, we all knew contracting the virus was still on the table - but with vaccinations, they will prevent serious cases resulting in hospitalization and death - which is the reason why we had measures back before vaccines were available - to stop hospitals from being overran and people needlessly dying.

What is your point? Are you trying to say that vaccinations are pointless?
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Old 19.07.2021, 09:14
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And nobody has ever said that they will, but they will prevent serious cases resulting in hospitalization and death.
They have, and often too! That’s why vaccine passports have been such a topic of conversation “to protect those who can’t have the vaccine”. If the vaccines aren’t as effective at preventing the spread of the virus, then there is one less reason to insist that others get it.

As it is, it’s looking more likely that the path to herd immunity means the vaccinated getting infected and enduring lesser symptoms in order to build up natural immunity 🤷♂️
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They have, and often too! That’s why vaccine passports have been such a topic of conversation “to protect those who can’t have the vaccine”. If the vaccines aren’t as effective at preventing the spread of the virus, then there is one less reason to insist that others get it.

As it is, it’s looking more likely that the path to herd immunity means the vaccinated getting infected and enduring lesser symptoms in order to build up natural immunity 🤷♂️
I edited my comment after you quoted, apologies.

Your comment is very frustrating ... a weakened version of the virus due to a vaccination is entirely why the majority of the population should be getting it. Your rhetoric that "you can still catch it anyway" is dangerous and will set progress back substantially.
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Old 19.07.2021, 09:25
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They have, and often too! That’s why vaccine passports have been such a topic of conversation “to protect those who can’t have the vaccine”. If the vaccines aren’t as effective at preventing the spread of the virus, then there is one less reason to insist that others get it.

As it is, it’s looking more likely that the path to herd immunity means the vaccinated getting infected and enduring lesser symptoms in order to build up natural immunity 🤷♂️
You should check out last Friday's YouTube broadcast by Dr John Campbell where he analyses the results from Isreal:

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